Mason Mount

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2 hours ago, Henrique said:

I have to admit that I missed him when Havertz was playing on the midfield. Not only Mount is 100% useless on the wings, but right now he is playing better than Havertz. I'm not saying he is a better footballer than Havertz, but right now he is definitely a better fit for the team than Havertz, if we have to choose between the two, and I think this is the case right now, considering the quality we have elsewhere. 

Disagree I think the Burnley game showed that both can be accommodated in the midfield 3. 

I wasn't sure that Kante would have the tactical discipline to play the holding role, but so far so good and it should allow two more offensive minded players to play in front of him.

Kovacic hasn't been at his best so far this season (although he grew into the game today before he came off) but I think in the offensive midfield roles, Havertz is the better fit in there. Kovacic is better suited playing as a midfield 2. It does look like Ziyech likes to be given a free role to roam also and pick up positions inside at times. I think with Havertz operating central to him and being comfortable to play outside if required it balances the team as they can interchange. Mount seems to do the same on the left hand side at times when Werner has drifted inside. That level of flexibility should make a big difference to the fluid nature in which we look like we want to play.

I think Mount has had a lot of unnecessary criticism and been pretty much written off by a lot of people as not good enough, but he's been shunted all over the place in our side in recent months. It's good to have that versatility and willingness to play where ever to help the team but I'm glad he's getting a run in his favoured position. He's looked excellent so far playing there and provides a lot of balance with his work rate, combined with a preference to play forward and positive.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Has been playing well in the 4-3-3. Switching the ball to James to maintain the attacking tempo. Very impressed with him

[Puliiszola 519]

A perfect no. 8. He is not a winger, not a 10, a proper 8. And long may it continue. 

 

Also, where the haters at?

[blu35_army 551]

now,,he and Kai must be more connecting each other to more attack from the central midfield. both of them has a potential to be our Xaviesta,,because you can't always depends on winger or fullback to cross everyday in CL night. against big club like Bayern or Madrid,,Mount & Kai must be improve their dribbling skill to broke the defence and make 1-2 pass with our CF especially Werner who always run to find a space between the opponent CB....

[NikkiCFC 7,950]

6 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

A perfect no. 8. He is not a winger, not a 10, a proper 8. And long may it continue. 

 

Also, where the haters at?

Why would people criticise any players after 3:0 and 4:1 wins? 

But since you want to have this conversation Mount had very quiet 2 games. We scored 7 goals and he had zero influence in them. And yes, Kova outperformed him yesterday. In fact, 8 or 9 of our players did. 

Mount was great against WBA and Burnley. 2/12 this is 16.6%. He needs to put performances like that in at least 70% of games to be on required level. 

And if he ever do that it will be people like me who pushed him to do that because he is aware what people say about him. If you tell him he was good last two games you are not doing him any favours. So I'm his biggest friend here. 

 

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2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Why would people criticise any players after 3:0 and 4:1 wins? 

But since you want to have this conversation Mount had very quiet 2 games. We scored 7 goals and he had zero influence in them. And yes, Kova outperformed him yesterday. In fact, 8 or 9 of our players did. 

Mount was great against WBA and Burnley. 2/12 this is 16.6%. He needs to put performances like that in at least 70% of games to be on required level. 

And if he ever do that it will be people like me who pushed him to do that because he is aware what people say about him. If you tell him he was good last two games you are not doing him any favours. So I'm his biggest friend here. 

 

There is so much factual shit in one post, I honestly can't even try to argue. 

 

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James, Mount, Abraham all played last night...

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England’s Grealish and Mount showed they can co-exist – and be fluid and fun

https://theathletic.com/2194851/2020/11/13/england-grealish-mount-together/

It never felt on Thursday evening at Wembley as if there was any great need for this game to take place. It was yet another match jammed into a crammed schedule, one that required Gareth Southgate to pick a 29-man squad just to protect his best and busiest players from having to play in it.

England strolled to a comfortable 3-0 win, just as they did against Wales last month, another game played at the start of a three-match international window, simply for the benefit of ITV and the FA.

But Southgate can still take some encouragement from the events of the game: the win, the individual performances, no new injuries and, best of all, one new piece of information that England did not have before.

Mason Mount and Jack Grealish, the two rising creative stars of this set-up, are not mutually exclusive within this team. They can play well together, in slightly different roles, improving one another’s game rather than detracting from it. After a few months when the attention has largely been off the pitch, that is not nothing.

The past few England camps have seen off-the-pitch stories largely drown out anything they have achieved on the field. Harry Maguire in Mykonos, Phil Foden and Mason Greenwood in Reykjavik, Greg Clarke on Zoom in front of the DCMS select committee. Southgate has had to solemnly weigh in on all of these, just as he has to on everything else. And these, you suspect, will be the stories people remember from this autumn. Ask an England fan if they can remember the scores or scorers in the recent games against Iceland, Denmark, Wales, Belgium, Denmark and now the Republic of Ireland, and they might struggle.

If there has been one genuine footballing story around the England team this autumn, it has been the duel between Grealish and Mount, two of the most exciting young attacking midfielders in the Premier League, to force their way into Southgate’s plans for next summer’s Euros.

It felt, at least before this evening, as if Mount and Grealish were two similar players competing for one place in the England team next year. One of them might start England’s opening group game against Croatia, but there was no way they both could.

The two men’s trajectories are not quite the same. Grealish is three and a bit years older than Mount. When Grealish made his Premier League debut, Mount was just 15 years old. Both are creative midfielders, not quite classical No 10s, but closer than many English players of their generation. Both players have been tested in the Championship and are now doing it at the serious end of the Premier League.

Crucially, neither Mount nor Grealish was part of the first phase of Southgate’s England tenure. Neither player went to Russia two years ago. Mount did not make his debut until September 2019, Grealish not until 12 months later. Both players, then, could be cast as the men to improve this England team, to give it the creativity and craft that it lacked at the last World Cup.

So much of Southgate’s team for next summer is settled, but that one wild card role has still felt up for grabs. We all know that Harry Kane is going to start up front, and we would expect Raheem Sterling to join him. Declan Rice will probably anchor midfield alongside Jordan Henderson. There are not many spare spots left.

When England drew 0-0 in Copenhagen on September 8, both players came on in search of a winner. But at the start of the next international break, when England beat Wales 3-0 here, in a game very reminiscent of this one, Grealish made his first full international start. He was brilliant, helping to tear Wales apart, giving England a glimpse of his off-the-cuff individualistic magic that endears him so much to fans and neutrals.

But when Mount started as that link-man between the midfield and the front line against Belgium and Denmark, making his third and fourth competitive start for England before Grealish had made one, it looked as if he was taking his place at the front of the queue. Southgate’s trust in Mount was read by many to be a sign of his preference for a more obedient, systematic and controlling player rather than the maverick charisma of Grealish. Villa fans on social media were crestfallen when it looked as if Grealish would not get a chance.

Southgate even joked about this in his press conference on Wednesday night, saying that Mount’s “only crime is not to be Jack at the moment”. But the 50-year-old, always looking for a diplomatic answer, said it was “not fair to compare”, as the two are “different players”, and that Mount might play in a “slightly different role”.

Sure enough, Southgate did come up with a solution that not many would have expected, but one that changed the way that we conceive of England’s options in this area. Rather than choosing between Grealish and Mount, he picked both of them. Mount was playing in central midfield, alongside Harry Winks at the heart of England’s 3-4-3. Grealish was in his favoured inside-left role, driving forward, taking opponents on, trying to make things happen in the final third.

Grealish was more eye-catching than Mount, playing the pass through to Reece James that nearly set up Dominic Calvert-Lewin early on, combining well with Jadon Sancho throughout, testing the Irish backline down the outside and in behind. By the end, Grealish was playing with the same grace and ease he showed against Wales, skipping past every available opponent, treating international football as if he was wearing a Villa shirt — with swagger. It was great to watch but maybe it was nothing new.

The story of the evening, if there was one, was that Mount was intelligent enough to be effective in a deep role, just as he is high up the pitch. Southgate has tried using him there before for England, for a few minutes in Copenhagen and in the last break, but this was probably Mount’s best game for England in that more central role. “The two midfielders used the ball well,” Southgate said in his post-match press conference. “The combinations with the wing-backs and the three forwards were very exciting. We got players in between the lines, turned, and running at their defence.”

This was not England’s strongest team but there is no reason, fitness aside, that Mount and Grealish cannot play in these roles against Belgium and Iceland in the next five days and beyond. We know that Southgate is trying to find the right balance between creativity and control, moving back to a 3-4-3 system that secures the defence but takes one man out of the attacking positions.

If you stick with this 3-4-3 system, replace Calvert-Lewin and Sancho with Kane and Sterling, and Winks with either Henderson or Rice, then you have a defensively solid team that can create chances too. They might look one man short in midfield but you cannot simultaneously dominate in every position.

The other option is to go back to the 4-3-3 that served England pretty well for two years before Southgate decided to ditch it. That way, you can have Mount in midfield alongside both Rice and Henderson, giving you an extra body in that area. And you can still have Grealish alongside Kane and Sterling (or Rashford or Sancho) in that front line. The cost would come in the defence, with Kyle Walker being the obvious man to give way, leaving most likely Harry Maguire and Eric Dier as the two centre-backs. Now that system might not be the best way to come up against France or Portugal or Germany in the round of 16 — not many would want Kylian Mbappe or Timo Werner running at Dier and Maguire — but England are going to spend much of the group stage dominating possession against Scotland and the Czech Republic, probing to find a way through.

So will Southgate stick with this new arrangement when the Euros do start next June? You might want to bet on it, with only one more international break left after this one. The temptation will be to replace Grealish with someone more predictable and formulaic. But the point that we learnt here is that Grealish and Mount can co-exist within a nominally cautious system, and England might well be more fluid and fluent and fun if they do.

Maybe not a totally wasted evening after all.

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6 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

 

What a move. But tbf Mason was not Kais man there. No16 should have done better. And covered the inside not the outside. What a shot tho

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17 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

What a move. But tbf Mason was not Kais man there. No16 should have done better. And covered the inside not the outside. What a shot tho

Yea sick shot that

[Stats 7,055]

So if I am correct, Mount along with Grealish are the only England player to start all 3 games for England in the international break? Good for him but for our sake's was hoping he would be left out tonight 

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21 minutes ago, Stats said:

So if I am correct, Mount along with Grealish are the only England player to start all 3 games for England in the international break? Good for him but for our sake's was hoping he would be left out tonight 

So stupid. South Gate is basically starting his first 11 bar Chilwell in a dead rubber. Joke of a manager

[Hutcho 8,443]

So if I am correct, Mount along with Grealish are the only England player to start all 3 games for England in the international break? Good for him but for our sake's was hoping he would be left out tonight 

Mount will be fine. On the plus side he's probably our fittest player who doesn't seem to have an injury proneness and the playing regularly and scoring for England will no doubt increase his confidence which will be good for us.

[Hutcho 8,443]

He's taken him off after 60 mins so should be fine. Plenty of Chelsea connections in that backroom staff I'm sure the England boys are all being looked after.

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[Blue Armour 4,280]

2 hours ago, Hutcho said:

4 hours ago, Stats said:

 

Mount will be fine. On the plus side he's probably our fittest player who doesn't seem to have an injury proneness and the playing regularly and scoring for England will no doubt increase his confidence which will be good for us.

 

When it comes to that aspect, he really is Lampard's "son"