🇮🇹 Davide Zappacosta

[King Kante 1,643]

I have been thinking about the RB position for next season and was wondering if it may be wise to loan out James to a PL side for experience and bring back Zappa as RB2. 

My thinking here is as follows: 

1) Dave is the captain and he looks like he will continue to start 70-80% at RB next season. 

2) Zappa wasn't actually that bad, he just never got a look in. When he played, I thought he was ok as he offered more pace than Dave but still didn't have any brain fart moments. 

3) I rate James really highly but he looks like he still needs more experience. My feeling is that for his own development he is better getting a full season in rather than battling (and probably losing to) Dave. 

4) Zappa, as his knee went is essentially a sunk cost, James would pick up a reasonable loan fee. For me, with the consistency of Dave, Zappa may as well sit on the bench for a financial point of view as well as a developmental one. 

[Tomo 21,751]

On 28/06/2020 at 6:43 PM, nyikolajevics said:

This guy is one of the worst Chelsea players in the last 15 years.. Hopefully some italian team bags him this summer.

He was nowhere near one of the worst.

Was average and shouldn't have been signed  (especially at that price) but there's been many worse player's than him at fullback alone.

[Puliiszola 519]

7 hours ago, King Kante said:

I have been thinking about the RB position for next season and was wondering if it may be wise to loan out James to a PL side for experience and bring back Zappa as RB2. 

My thinking here is as follows: 

1) Dave is the captain and he looks like he will continue to start 70-80% at RB next season. 

2) Zappa wasn't actually that bad, he just never got a look in. When he played, I thought he was ok as he offered more pace than Dave but still didn't have any brain fart moments. 

3) I rate James really highly but he looks like he still needs more experience. My feeling is that for his own development he is better getting a full season in rather than battling (and probably losing to) Dave. 

4) Zappa, as his knee went is essentially a sunk cost, James would pick up a reasonable loan fee. For me, with the consistency of Dave, Zappa may as well sit on the bench for a financial point of view as well as a developmental one. 

Why? Give Reece the experience here itself. With a shorter season there will be more opportunities as well as the chance to give him EL/CL experience. 

As for zappa,

out of his 25mil euro fee:

17/18: Amortization: 6.25mil

18/19: Amortization: 6.25mil

19/20: Amortization: 4.2mil (Since he signed a contract extension of 1 year hence the change in amortization value)

So basically we have 8.4mil euros of value left of him on our books. If we sell him for 10-15mil this window, thats still a profit from player sales and we can simply move on from someone who was always a MEH! signing for the club. Not only that, but we also open up space on our books of about 4.2mil +wages for new signings.

On the other hand sending Reece out on loan gives a wrong signal to the youth and the boy himself. He is quality and should be blooded in.

In my opinion, having zappa back would make no sense. Either financially or just by quality

[Strike 7,491]

8 hours ago, King Kante said:

I have been thinking about the RB position for next season and was wondering if it may be wise to loan out James to a PL side for experience and bring back Zappa as RB2. 

My thinking here is as follows: 

1) Dave is the captain and he looks like he will continue to start 70-80% at RB next season. 

2) Zappa wasn't actually that bad, he just never got a look in. When he played, I thought he was ok as he offered more pace than Dave but still didn't have any brain fart moments. 

3) I rate James really highly but he looks like he still needs more experience. My feeling is that for his own development he is better getting a full season in rather than battling (and probably losing to) Dave. 

4) Zappa, as his knee went is essentially a sunk cost, James would pick up a reasonable loan fee. For me, with the consistency of Dave, Zappa may as well sit on the bench for a financial point of view as well as a developmental one. 

Azpi cannot be starting every game anymore because he is getting older and the full back position demands end-to-end presence, attacking quality. He should be rotated heavily and used as a squad player. Reece is good enough as a starting full-back already and is getting better 

Zappa anyway would be a big drop in quality

[Jype 6,398]

8 hours ago, King Kante said:

I have been thinking about the RB position for next season and was wondering if it may be wise to loan out James to a PL side for experience and bring back Zappa as RB2.

This has got to be the worst suggestion I've seen on here in a while. No offense.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Azpi cannot be starting every game anymore because he is getting older and the full back position demands end-to-end presence, attacking quality. He should be rotated heavily and used as a squad player. Reece is good enough as a starting full-back already and is getting better 

What about defensive quality? 

As welcome as James has looked more like himself and played well in the last 2 games, let's not forget that in the games before that, he showed that he's still got much to learn before nailing that starting full-back position. 

[Strike 7,491]

18 minutes ago, Jason said:

What about defensive quality? 

As welcome as James has looked more like himself and played well in the last 2 games, let's not forget that in the games before that, he showed that he's still got much to learn before nailing that starting full-back position. 

Yes but with Azpilicueta for cover, that can happen at Chelsea itself.

[King Kante 1,643]

6 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

Why? Give Reece the experience here itself. With a shorter season there will be more opportunities as well as the chance to give him EL/CL experience. 

As for zappa,

out of his 25mil euro fee:

17/18: Amortization: 6.25mil

18/19: Amortization: 6.25mil

19/20: Amortization: 4.2mil (Since he signed a contract extension of 1 year hence the change in amortization value)

So basically we have 8.4mil euros of value left of him on our books. If we sell him for 10-15mil this window, thats still a profit from player sales and we can simply move on from someone who was always a MEH! signing for the club. Not only that, but we also open up space on our books of about 4.2mil +wages for new signings.

On the other hand sending Reece out on loan gives a wrong signal to the youth and the boy himself. He is quality and should be blooded in.

In my opinion, having zappa back would make no sense. Either financially or just by quality

Problem is Dave is the Captain and super consistent. James does not just need to be better but much better to replace him. In my opinion, if James stays here next season he will only start 20-30% of our games. Hence, why I think he may be better off on loan to get a full season. I am not writing James off, I just want to ensure he gets minutes and I do not think he gets enough here next season. Be happy to be proved wrong. 

[Jype 6,398]

29 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Problem is Dave is the Captain and super consistent. James does not just need to be better but much better to replace him. In my opinion, if James stays here next season he will only start 20-30% of our games. Hence, why I think he may be better off on loan to get a full season. I am not writing James off, I just want to ensure he gets minutes and I do not think he gets enough here next season. Be happy to be proved wrong. 

While I agree with your reasoning (Azpi has missed 5 PL games in the last five seasons and started the other 184 which is an insane stat) he will slowly but surely start being phased out. He's 31 and he's been playing a crazy amount of football in the last 8 years he's been at the club. Not many full-backs keep their level well into their 30s so we need to keep James around and he will have to make sure he's ready to take whatever chances come his way. For James' long-term future at the club it will also be important to continue being a part of the squad even if he doesn't yet play every week. That way he will form a better understanding with his team-mates and slot right in the team whenever needed, as opposed to playing his football elsewhere even though regular 90 minute games has it's own perks, that I'll give you. 

And not to mention, every game the team plays with a back 3 James will be one of the first names on the team sheet and he's miles ahead of Zappacosta in that wing-back position. Also no way to know for sure how the LB signing (whoever it may be) will settle in, so maybe Azpi will still continue to play some games on the left too so are you really saying you'd be confident enough in a post-ACL Zappacosta to play an extended run of games at RB?

The aim is to make the team stronger, not worse. If the plan was to ever loan out James again, that time would have been this season. After already becoming a part of the team, there's no way he's going out on loan again just like there's no way Zappacosta is ever coming back and rightly so.

[Puliiszola 519]

29 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Problem is Dave is the Captain and super consistent. James does not just need to be better but much better to replace him. In my opinion, if James stays here next season he will only start 20-30% of our games. Hence, why I think he may be better off on loan to get a full season. I am not writing James off, I just want to ensure he gets minutes and I do not think he gets enough here next season. Be happy to be proved wrong. 

He has played 2237 minutes already this season. It's only going to increase or stay constant. So obviously oppurtunities will be there. 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Exactly. From possible 4680 minutes this season Reece played 2237. So almost 50%. 

And he missed around 10 games this season because of injuries. Plus Azpi is getting older. So, he will definitely play even more next season.

He will improve defensively by time.

 

 

[Jype 6,398]

16 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

He will improve defensively by time.

And who better to learn that from than Azpilicueta? A true model professional.

[King Kante 1,643]

Tbf, I hadn't realised Reece had played so many minutes. If someone had asked me I would've guessed at sub-1400. 

Well, it looks like that idea was shot down. My idea was based on best long term benefit as I just do not want to see Reece wasting a season only getting half the minutes he could else where as Dave will play all the time still. I understand Dave is getting on a bit but he is one if those people you know will still be able to run marathon at 50, so I do not reckon his decline will come as early as most RB's. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

10 hours ago, King Kante said:

Tbf, I hadn't realised Reece had played so many minutes. If someone had asked me I would've guessed at sub-1400. 

Well, it looks like that idea was shot down. My idea was based on best long term benefit as I just do not want to see Reece wasting a season only getting half the minutes he could else where as Dave will play all the time still. I understand Dave is getting on a bit but he is one if those people you know will still be able to run marathon at 50, so I do not reckon his decline will come as early as most RB's. 

I think your right regarding Azpi. I think he will still be able to compete at a very good level for another 3 years. He isn’t necessarily the slowest or fastest fullback and his defensive nous hasnt shown any signs of declining either. Also he can play the right sided CB role as well in a 3 and that makes him a good option to keep around this team.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

A piece of deadwood finally gone.

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

Another loan 😂

[Jase 43,479]

Loan to Genoa confirmed...

 

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

Bye Bye 

[NikkiCFC 8,326]

Great goal on debut. He played LWB.