Álvaro Morata

[LAM09 6,744]

many differences (sside from diego which was an obvious loss):
1. Matic a good CM left and nobody came (good/great however you rate him - doesn't matter)
2. The surprise mechanics with the 3 in the back are no longer a surprise
3. Most players are not as rested and fit, which is due to the push to win last season and,
4. a lot more games this season with still a small squad
5. Fabregas is older and looks more unfit (our only capable CM to play alongside Kante see #1)
6. the opposition is a hell lot better?! City would've won last season... easily
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree. I look at our play and we play like crap most of the time. No striker in the world can fix that.

None of those points have a direct affect on a striker's finishing or lack of. Matic alongside Kante this season would have had no bearing on Morata's numbers IMO.

The points you made are more valid as to why we finished 5th instead of defending our title.

[robsblubot 3,502]

4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

None of those points have a direct affect on a striker's finishing or lack of. Matic alongside Kante this season would have had no bearing on Morata's numbers IMO.

The points you made are more valid as to why we finished 5th instead of defending our title.

couldn't disagree more. Striker is the most dependent position in the squad. Volume of play affects him directly with movement and opening up the opposition.

(BTW, I'm not disagreeing with the point that we could have a better striker or that Morata should be doing better)

[LAM09 6,744]

couldn't disagree more. Striker is the more dependent position in the squad. Volume of play affects him directly with movement and opening up the opposition.

We've created chances but he's been wasteful. You only need to look at his conversion rate (with his feet) & big chances wasted to see the obvious.  

 

However, it's always easy to pass someone's inability onto another individual/s.

 

 

 

[robsblubot 3,502]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

We've created chances but he's been wasteful. You only need to look at his conversion rate & big chances wasted to see the obvious.


 

Sure, I'm not disagreeing with the point that we could have a better striker or that Morata should be doing better. Lukaku would've been scoring more goals - I have no doubt about that. He's also not good enough for different reasons... So for me, we wait until next season and then if Morata cannot find his game then we find a different player, either option would still be better than having Luakaku for the next 6 years... assuming we want to take game to the next level.

But being a great finisher is literally a state of mind: very few players keep a high scoring ratio throughout their entire careers. Most go through patches of form and end up hitting their stride late in their 20s and for a short period of time (until they start losing pace). 

It's also difficult to start delivering immediately after joining a team because of the aforementioned dependency: gotta learn the timing of the runs, where the passes go, the team's tempo may be different, and whether the defenders will follow you or a diff player (say Eden).  Our movement was a lot better last season, which made it far more difficult for defenders to focus on single attacking player (that helped Eden too). Matic let us keep the ball longer, which gave us time to open up spaces and find the better pass... it's all connected.

It actually makes sense that Giroud is having an easier time atm, since he's also more familiar with the Premiere League and the tempo in which most teams play.

[Thor 2,392]

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

[communicate 2,703]

4 hours ago, Thor said:

 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. 

This is the one that is kinda funny. I was also in Lukaku camp,even now I still believe that Lukaku is suited to EPL and us better than Morata but I have defended Morata so much because I can see if he can improve his physical aspect we will have a complete striker in our hand.

[Unionjack 7,531]

5 hours ago, Thor said:

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

I basically agree with what you say mate.

I think OUR (supporters) problem is we have become mini Romans. We have bought into his 'if it doesn't work straight away then get rid of it' system.

We expext everthing that we want to be instant. Instead of letting players get accustomed to our system, gel with each other.

Now I'm not saying yhay about all players we bring in. We may have bought some players who might not be of the standard we hoped they would be.

But if a player has been playing well before he comes to us and then he seems to lack the basic abilities and awareness that position needs then theres got to be some reason for it. Either something in that players life isn't right or whatever the team is doing woth him is wrong.

I dont have the footballing brain alot of us on here have. I just love watching Chelsea. But it seems to me we have become so used to winning over the kast 15 years or so we now expect us to do it every year. We have had teams that have wotked great together. Those players aren't with us anymore. It might be we haven't bought the right ones to fill those players positions, Or we need to give some of them more patiance. But if we want to build something that will work for more than 1 season I think it takes more from us lot about new players than - 'Hes shit - sell him'

[The Skipper 20,593]

6 hours ago, Thor said:

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

I’ve always personally been a Morata critic but I don’t see what is wrong with people pointing out how average he has been this season and that he needs to up his game? That seems to be the general narrative around here, there’s only one or two posters who are being a bit over the top no?

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Welcome to 2018.

As I said, Chelsea cannot afford for Morata to have a similar performance he had this season. We seriously lack firepower up front and crossing your fingers hoping Morata will become a god and score 20+ goals next season is kind of ludicrous. 

I don't mind Morata staying with us next season, as long we get another striker with a good track record. And if we have to get rid of Morata to get in someone better, so be it. Morata/Giroud as our strikeforce next season is suicide.

I'm all for us spending whatever it takes to bring in someone like Isco but we just cant get the A List trype players. So we have to set our sites loer no matter how much cheese I eat to dream that we can.

So you better have a chat with Sarri,Roman or whoever controlls our transfer system to find us a good striker from the 'B' list.

[Tomo 21,733]

4 minutes ago, Mana said:

Welcome to 2018. Every top club (bar maybe Liverpool) has these supporters now, not just Chelsea.

As I said, Chelsea cannot afford for Morata to have a similar performance he had this season. We seriously lack firepower up front and crossing your fingers hoping Morata will become a god and score 20+ goals next season is kind of ludicrous. 

I don't mind Morata staying with us next season, as long we get another striker with a good track record. And if we have to get rid of Morata to get in someone better, so be it. Morata/Giroud as our strikeforce next season is suicide.

If Morata goes and we get Sarri we should do everything possible to make that Martial/Willian swap happen. Martial, Hazard and (assuming we don't get a RW) Pedro under Sarri's management would be something to behold.

[Pizy 18,368]

I'll eat my hat if we sell or loan him. Not happening.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

17 hours ago, Thor said:

I'll keep laughing at this thread and the conversation as of recent, because there really is a "ignorance is bliss" type feel to it. 

Funny how Cavani is being mentioned as one of the targets. Especially since people complained about Morata's finishing. There are montages spanning 2 minutes long from individual games of Cavani just butchering chances. He would certainly put minds at ease here... lol

Who do people propose we go for? Lukaku? He has played in the league for how many years now, and his season has been no better than Morata's. Who else? Benzema? lol... 

Furthermore, I love the fact the other components, such as our midfield going to crap, is completely being ignored in all this. People are acting as if everything has been held constant. We've played some uninspired football even in our best of matches this season. 

75% of this board was hoping for Morata, and funnily enough I was in the Lukaku camp, yet now, no one wants to give him the time of day. First freaking season in the league, dealing with constant injuries, and being unsettled. Get rid of the 25 year old prospect now, right. At his worst. Great for retrieving value, and great for the club in case he does get better. That would be the perfect move. Losing out in more ways than one, as usual.

If you can't see how talented Morata is, there is no hope for you. Allow the tall, pacey striker with good dribbling to leave. Just because he is low on confidence (much like the rest of the team, which gets somewhat ignored).

In terms of where most people on here want the club to go, with a vibrant playing style and a less defensive minded manager, to get rid of Morata would be insane. Like you said if you cannot see his talent, you are blind. This season will help his development and pre-season he'll come back and be a different player for this bad experience. Just like his first quarter of the season at Juventus where he struggled to get a lot of minutes or any solid sort of form he eventually came good from it and I wouldnt be surprised if the same was to happen here. To have scored 20+ goals for Madrid as a sub more or less last season is an impressive return, he has got the right attributes to succeed here and was doing so in the first half of the season. 

[The Skipper 20,593]

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

In terms of where most people on here want the club to go, with a vibrant playing style and a less defensive minded manager, to get rid of Morata would be insane. Like you said if you cannot see his talent, you are blind. This season will help his development and pre-season he'll come back and be a different player for this bad experience. Just like his first quarter of the season at Juventus where he struggled to get a lot of minutes or any solid sort of form he eventually came good from it and I wouldnt be surprised if the same was to happen here. To have scored 20+ goals for Madrid as a sub more or less last season is an impressive return, he has got the right attributes to succeed here and was doing so in the first half of the season. 

My problem with Morata is that whilst he is a good footballer, he seems to lack that killer striker mentality guys like Costa and Drogba (who are arguably worse footballers on pure talent) had, which is what ultimately makes or breaks a top striker imo. Finishing wise he seems to be extremely average. As a striker, finishing is extremely important. He has one goal in the PL in 2018. People have a right to be reserved about him. 

[milka 3,346]

Bye ! 

 

[The Skipper 20,593]

Would only sell if we can get a truly good replacement. 

[Mufassir08 2,400]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

Would only sell if we can get a truly good replacement. 

Icardi has a nice little 97m release clause in his contract. He has got that killer mentality in spades as well whilst not being technically as good as Alvaro.

[The Skipper 20,593]

3 minutes ago, Mufassir08 said:

Icardi has a nice little 97m release clause in his contract. He has got that killer mentality in spades as well whilst not being technically as good as Alvaro.

Think it might work in Sarri’s system tbh if we got him as the next manager for example. If we can sell Morata for let’s say 75m, I’d consider it can’t lie. 

On Morata - if he’s itching for a move back to Italy instead of wanting to stay here; his head ain’t here - he’s not going to look forward to being here next season, and when mentality is the biggest question about him atm... Will he put in that extra effort? Or will he continue to sulk even further next season?

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

8 hours ago, Tomo said:

If Morata goes and we get Sarri we should do everything possible to make that Martial/Willian swap happen. Martial, Hazard and (assuming we don't get a RW) Pedro under Sarri's management would be something to behold.

100% This. 

I'm not too bothered if Morata stays or goes to be honest. Just know if Morata goes to Juventus it would be all his doing. We're not that ruthless to players to give up on them after 1 season. Chelsea officials knew Morata's transition would be difficult. 

However, like @Tomo has just said above. If Maurizio Sarri is our new manager, Martial under him would be unreal. Just look at the work Sarri has done with Mertens, a former LW who shares many of the same football qualities as Martial. A strikeforce of Martial/Batshuayi is more than solid enough. 

Hazard-Martial-Bailey under Sarri. Yeah, that's football heaven.