🇪🇸 Marcos Alonso

[Special Juan 28,141]

He's a fucking donkey stealing a living at this club.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

He could have started running at Leicester sunday and wouldnt have caught up to the last goal.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

First loss with Alonso starting this season 

Not trying to defend him or anything but before that last goal he did not cost us goals for months unlike Azpi, Rudi, Chris, Zouma who do this every game...

And he was probably instructed to play high because we were chasing a goal.

Ofc we need new starting LB next season but Alonso is not in top5 worst performers today...

He is always perfect victim.

[King Kante 1,643]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

First loss with Alonso starting this season 

Not trying to defend him or anything but before that last goal he did not costed us goals for months unlike Azpi, Rudi, Chris, Zouma who do this every game...

And he was probably instructed to play high because we were chasing a goal.

Ofc we need new starting LB next season but Alonso is not in top5 worst performers today...

Yeah, I am not really getting why everyone is going crazy at Alonso, it is pretty obvious SFL had told him to go up the pitch. Essentially when we're chasing a game, Alonso is our version of sending up the CB to play CF, but in his case it is to go up from LB to LWF. 

The third goal was down to SFL's tactics and Rudiger's inability to defend. The second was AC deciding to give up defending and the first a dual award for Rudi (for giving the corner away) and Kepa for not controlling his six yard area/losing the flight of the ball yet again. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

15 hours ago, King Kante said:

Yeah, I am not really getting why everyone is going crazy at Alonso, it is pretty obvious SFL had told him to go up the pitch. Essentially when we're chasing a game, Alonso is our version of sending up the CB to play CF, but in his case it is to go up from LB to LWF. 

The third goal was down to SFL's tactics and Rudiger's inability to defend. The second was AC deciding to give up defending and the first a dual award for Rudi (for giving the corner away) and Kepa for not controlling his six yard area/losing the flight of the ball yet again. 

Exactly. Was almost like the days of AVB asking Bosingwa and Cole to play as wingers back in the day.

I really dont see how FL couldn't see we were so vulnerable to West Ham counters and at 2-2 as well as the fact we conceded in the last few mins, he should have just played for the draw. I think with more experience behind him he will realise this in the future. Even more so when the teams playing badly. The in game management hasnt been great all season though, be it through having to chase goals due to not taking advantage of our chances and killing games off or pushing for more goals when we don’t necessarily need to etc. It is something that regardless of personnel needs to change. 

[King Kante 1,643]

13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Exactly. Was almost like the days of AVB asking Bosingwa and Cole to play as wingers back in the day.

I really dont see how FL couldn't see we were so vulnerable to West Ham counters and at 2-2 as well as the fact we conceded in the last few mins, he should have just played for the draw. I think with more experience behind him he will realise this in the future. Even more so when the teams playing badly. The in game management hasnt been great all season though, be it through having to chase goals due to not taking advantage of our chances and killing games off or pushing for more goals when we don’t necessarily need to etc. It is something that regardless of personnel needs to change. 

Agreed. My worry is that Derby suffered from these problems last season also, so he hasn't really learned his lesson. 

My ideal would be to get JT back as he has turned Mings into a very good CB. However, we all know that JT's political ambitions in the dressing room would possibly cause conflicts with Jody and SFL. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

8 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Agreed. My worry is that Derby suffered from these problems last season also, so he hasn't really learned his lesson. 

My ideal would be to get JT back as he has turned Mings into a very good CB. However, we all know that JT's political ambitions in the dressing room would possibly cause conflicts with Jody and SFL. 

I think if FL wanted to get JT in he would of when he arrived. In all fairness as well, Villa arent exactly a shining beacon of being a strong defensive team and Mings was maybe more just needing to play more often to develop as he was always very talented.

it has to improve obviously though.

[Vesper 30,185]

Chelsea boss Lampard slams 'slating' Neville: So easy to comment from afar

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/chelsea-boss-lampard-slams-slating-neville-so-easy-to-comment-from-afar-4332032

Chelsea boss Frank Lampard has slammed pundit Gary Neville over criticism of Marcos Alonso.

Neville blasted Alonso after the Spaniard failed to track back in the build-up to West Ham's late winner on Wednesday night.

"They [full-backs] have a responsibility to do both [attack and defend] and that's important," Lampard said. "It's not easy with isolated slatings – it's much easier to comment from afar.

"We do try and play football. We do try and be progressive but we don't do that at the idea of wanting to concede goals. And recovery runs are a huge part of football and the players must do them whether they are the first minutes or the 90th minute.

"So I don't think it's quite fair to look at Marcos in that isolated incident. Yes, he can recover, we can recover better as a team but that has to be something fundamental to the team. The players have to have the desire to run backwards as much as they run fast forwards.

"And sometimes you have to have the desire to make the difficult runs, whatever they may be to help the team. I can't complain about that with the team this year but if you isolate one goal that is so crucial because it wins the points, fair enough. But I know with my players that generally we have a desire to press very well off the ball and when goes beyond us we will recover and get there.

"It's a game where we slipped up, not just that mistake but other mistakes and lost the game for it."

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

Lol Gary speaking...

At the time of his sacking, Valencia were 14th in the league, only six points clear of the relegation zone, and had won only three of their 16 league games under Neville, also failing to keep a single clean sheet.

while in 2016, Hernán Crespo was critical both of Neville's punditry and his tenure as Valencia's manager, stating, "To watch a game from the TV, it's very different than from the bench. I'm almost happy for Gary Neville's troubles at Valencia. I remember he was too harsh as a TV pundit."

[Vesper 30,185]

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Lol Gary speaking...

At the time of his sacking, Valencia were 14th in the league, only six points clear of the relegation zone, and had won only three of their 16 league games under Neville, also failing to keep a single clean sheet.

while in 2016, Hernán Crespo was critical both of Neville's punditry and his tenure as Valencia's manager, stating, "To watch a game from the TV, it's very different than from the bench. I'm almost happy for Gary Neville's troubles at Valencia. I remember he was too harsh as a TV pundit."

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Clown college? 

[Vesper 30,185]

3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Clown college? 

Manchester United and England legend Gary Neville added a non-footballing title to his impressive list of honours today (Friday 18 July) when he was awarded an honorary doctorate by the University of Salford. The England coach and Sky Sports pundit received a doctor of science award from Salford Business School 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

14 hours ago, Vesper said:

Chelsea boss Lampard slams 'slating' Neville: So easy to comment from afar

https://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/chelsea-boss-lampard-slams-slating-neville-so-easy-to-comment-from-afar-4332032

Chelsea boss Frank Lampard has slammed pundit Gary Neville over criticism of Marcos Alonso.

Neville blasted Alonso after the Spaniard failed to track back in the build-up to West Ham's late winner on Wednesday night.

"They [full-backs] have a responsibility to do both [attack and defend] and that's important," Lampard said. "It's not easy with isolated slatings – it's much easier to comment from afar.

"We do try and play football. We do try and be progressive but we don't do that at the idea of wanting to concede goals. And recovery runs are a huge part of football and the players must do them whether they are the first minutes or the 90th minute.

"So I don't think it's quite fair to look at Marcos in that isolated incident. Yes, he can recover, we can recover better as a team but that has to be something fundamental to the team. The players have to have the desire to run backwards as much as they run fast forwards.

"And sometimes you have to have the desire to make the difficult runs, whatever they may be to help the team. I can't complain about that with the team this year but if you isolate one goal that is so crucial because it wins the points, fair enough. But I know with my players that generally we have a desire to press very well off the ball and when goes beyond us we will recover and get there.

"It's a game where we slipped up, not just that mistake but other mistakes and lost the game for it."

Tbf I dont think their necessarily wrong to mention that about Alonso but the fact we were going for a winner, pushing bodies forward when taking a draw wouldn't of been the worst result (based on our performance and how easily WHU were breaking on us) was a bigger issue.

In all fairness as well I think Gary Neville is just as likely to mention this if it were Luke Shaw or Aaron Wan Bissaka and not Marcos Alonso. Him and especially Roy Keane are very quick to call out players mistakes. Keane’s opinions on football are so clear and always have been, theres no sitting on the fence and its refreshing to listen to. Neville maybe not as clear cut but again always seems to be honest and not hold any real bias. Plus Keane putting Carragher in his place when he made that Luis Suarez signing comment and also the team where he put Mane in instead of Giggs were arguably the best things to come off sky sports this season. Also while we are on the topic of Neville, someone told me his dads name is Neville Neville so googled it and I cannot believe someone would do that to their child 😂

Also it is good that Frank has come out to defend Marcos and not criticise him for it as such as others may have done. 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

7 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

and also the team where he put Mane in instead of Giggs were arguably the best things to come off sky sports this season.

Obviously Giggs was at his top level for decade(s) but best Mane or Bale are still better than his best game.

[Puliiszola 519]

You dumb fuck. You were playing as a wing back. You need to stop one of the best crossers in world football from crossing. Not give him all the time and space to deliver the cross. 

You don't keep backing off. Fucking idiot. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

You dumb fuck. You were playing as a wing back. You need to stop one of the best crossers in world football from crossing. Not give him all the time and space to deliver the cross. 

You don't keep backing off. Fucking idiot. 

Honestly didnt think he was bad tonight again and this is a severe overreaction as there normally is with Marcos. The goal Trent crossed in, it was a brilliant cross, hats off.

i get hes not everyone’s cup of tea but jesus christ.

[Vytis33 1,272]

^^^ I thought he was ok tonight too all things considered.  Seen a few people calling us Pulisic FC recently then he's on the bench and comes on immediately for an assist and goal?  That was the most bewildering.

[Puliiszola 519]

5 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Honestly didnt think he was bad tonight again and this is a severe overreaction as there normally is with Marcos. The goal Trent crossed in, it was a brilliant cross, hats off.

i get hes not everyone’s cup of tea but jesus christ.

He kept backing off. What was he covering? There was not a Liverpool player anywhere near him. The only one was Rudi. 

It's these little things that matter, that define the game.

What the fuck was he doing when he handed the ball to salah on the plate. That's goes in and it's over. Don't give me, "he gets unwarranted hate" and all.

Needs to be sold and another player along with kepa and jorginho who should never ever take the field for us again. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I'd sure take the atlanta wingback over him

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[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

He kept backing off. What was he covering? There was not a Liverpool player anywhere near him. The only one was Rudi. 

It's these little things that bettee.

What the fuck was he doing when he handed the ball to salah on the plate. That's goes in and it's over. Don't give me, "he gets unwarranted hate" and all.

Needs to be sold and another player along with kepa and jorginho who should never ever take the field for us again. 

Yet if he dived in and got beaten you'd also complain. Even more so because pace isnt his strength. The cross in was phenomenal tbf, right where any forward would want it. 

Again Jorginho was hardly bad, he was another who was okay tonight, ok he should of wiped out Robertson but again, you wouldn’t associate that sort of side of the game with any of our boys playing in MF. 

The overreaction of a game that was essentially done in the first half is astonishing. Even at 3-1 was far too much and meant they had us where they wanted us, simple as that. Pulisic not starting and playing a back 3 v that front 3 was a bad sign from before a ball was kicked.