nono 791 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mata and De Bruyne - limited athleticism and physicality (something which wouldn't normally hinder an AM) but technically very good/world class = sidelined and soldRamires and Ivanovic - good athleticism (Ramires) and physicality (Ivan), but technically atrocious (to the extent you wonder how they are footballers) = untouchablesMindboggling. Can someone explain the reasoning to me?!Azpilicueta at RB & Cole/Bertrand at LB > Ivanovic at RB & Azpi/Bertrand/Cole at LBAny decent central midfielder > RamiresThis is Mourinho's philosophy. Defense over offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mourinho values athleticism alongside technical ability. Huh? None of those 4 players have both, but why is athleticism being given grave preference over technical ability to the extent that players with world class abilities (Mata) cannot make the squad but those who break down attack after attack through lack of passing and crossing ability (Ivanovic and Ramires) play near enough every game?This is Mourinho's philosophy. Defense over offense.Giving the ball away time after time adversely affects defense in that the opposition gain possession lots and fewer goals are likely to be scored offensively leading to more pressure on the defense. Plus it's not as though Ramires and Ivanovic are great defensively. Ivanovic gets done all the time.Mourinho only sees the flaws in players that he wants to see, it would seem! If he sidelines Mata and De Bruyne for not being good enough all-round players, then why not Ivanovic and Ramires too? He must think they're good enough otherwise Azpilicueta would be playing as would a better CM (one bought in, perhaps). mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Huh? None of those 4 players have both, but why is athleticism being given grave preference over technical ability to the extent that players with world class abilities (Mata) cannot make the squad but those who break down attack after attack through lack of passing and crossing ability (Ivanovic and Ramires) play near enough every game?Because you have a mix of players in the team. You have the water carriers in the team who get the ball and then give it to the magicians. Ivanovic gets done all the time.Lets not talk shit. He's a very solid defender who offers a threat at set-pieces as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Because you have a mix of players in the team. You have the water carriers in the team who get the ball and then give it to the magicians. Lets not talk shit. He's a very solid defender who offers a threat at set-pieces as well. Oh they give it to the magicians do they? I didn't realise the magicians were in the crowd. And yes Ivanovic does offer a threat at set-pieces - the threat of conceding a free-kick or scoring once in a blue moon. Brilliant. mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AswinR 96 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mata and De Bruyne - limited athleticism and physicality (something which wouldn't normally hinder an AM) but technically very good/world class = sidelined and soldRamires and Ivanovic - good athleticism (Ramires) and physicality (Ivan), but technically atrocious (to the extent you wonder how they are footballers) = untouchablesMindboggling. Can someone explain the reasoning to me?!Azpilicueta at RB & Cole/Bertrand at LB > Ivanovic at RB & Azpi/Bertrand/Cole at LBAny decent central midfielder > Ramiresmata and de bruyne competed with hazard ,oscar and willian ......(all worldclass though de bruyne not that level yet..)ramires competes with lampard & mikelnow do you see why?!!as far as cole & bertrand goes even i am confused but as for yesterday mourinho got his tactics wrong yesterday..he was being precautious and it backfired in his face... i think cole and azpi should have started but guess jose was afraid of west ham targeting cole and azpi during crosses.....as for how bad ivanovic is do you remember the match against napoli when he took a brilliant shot to seal the game?and he is a pretty decent defender!!no player at chelsea is bad...except for our strikers(who arent bad but just not worldclass and misfiring!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Oh they give it to the magicians do they? I didn't realise the magicians were in the crowd. And yes Ivanovic does offer a threat at set-pieces - the threat of conceding a free-kick or scoring once in a blue moon. Brilliant.No magicians in the crowd but plenty of comedians apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 mata and de bruyne competed with hazard ,oscar and willian ......(all worldclass though de bruyne not that level yet..)ramires competes with lampard & mikelnow do you see why?!!Guarantee you Ramires will still be a starting-eleven player next season. There has been no indication whatsoever on Mourinho's behalf that he is not happy with Ramires' performances, and I am very sure he will still be a regular and continue not being able to pass, shoot or cross. No reinforcements are needed though because Ramires has good stamina and that's all a central midfielder earning millions at the highest level of professional football needs of course.as for how bad ivanovic is do you remember the match against napoli when he took a brilliant shot to seal the game?and he is a pretty decent defender!!no player at chelsea is bad...except for our strikers(who arent bad but just not worldclass and misfiring!!)Brilliant? For his standards, perhaps. Otherwise it was decent but call me again when that becomes anything close to not being the exception. Plus to compensate for such a grand lack of ability on the ball you have to be much, much more than just a 'decent defender' with no pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mourinho parked the bus to get a CL title. This fucker parked the bus to get 1 point at mid season with zero strategical interest. So you expect Alladyce to win the CL with West Ham? ok..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mata and De Bruyne - limited athleticism and physicality (something which wouldn't normally hinder an AM) but technically very good/world class = sidelined and soldRamires and Ivanovic - good athleticism (Ramires) and physicality (Ivan), but technically atrocious (to the extent you wonder how they are footballers) = untouchablesMindboggling. Can someone explain the reasoning to me?!Azpilicueta at RB & Cole/Bertrand at LB > Ivanovic at RB & Azpi/Bertrand/Cole at LBAny decent central midfielder > RamiresRemember the two home games with Stoke in 2012? It was a Mata moment of brilliance in both that helped us win 1-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 This is Mourinho's philosophy. Defense over offense. Thats why he regularly takes off defenders to bring on midfielders or forwards when chasing games. Fernando and TacticalBlues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Remember the two home games with Stoke in 2012? It was a Mata moment of brilliance in both that helped us win 1-0.Indeed. I would be much more accepting of Mourinho's decision to sideline Mata if he was consistent in his approach. Seems like he wants the players to be more all-round, but the fact that he plays Ramires and Ivanovic every game says it all really. Thats why he regularly takes off defenders to bring on midfielders or forwards when chasing games.Then again he goes defensive when we're winning, which at times is really annoying. Winning 3-0 vs United and a thrasing could well have been the order of the day. They themselves sensed it bringing on a defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted January 30, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 30, 2014 This is Mourinho's philosophy. Defense over offense.Mourinho's philosophy is neither offensive nor defensive, it's winning. Roquila, BleedsBlue, Ainsley Harriott and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Just a quick question I'd like to ask you all?Liverpool were leading 4-0 at home to Everton and went on the hunt for more,while when we were leading 3-0 against United (or lead in any game) we decide to shut up shop rather than hunt for more. Why all this negativity? xPetrCechx and The Chels 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Personally, I find it funny to read Jose accusing West Ham playing 19th century football today.If I remember correctly, back in 2010 the CL game of Inter vs Barca he has done exactly the same parking the bus shit as we saw last night.So did Jose expect any different from West Ham if he was in the same position ? xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NishC300 1,865 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Mourinho's philosophy is neither offensive nor defensive, it's winning.Tactical genius is Mourinho! Never realised the point of the game was to win!So that means all other manager's philosophy is to lose? btw even that winning thing u said can be argued against since he has gone into some games this season just looking to draw lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Indeed. I would be much more accepting of Mourinho's decision to sideline Mata if he was consistent in his approach. Seems like he wants the players to be more all-round, but the fact that he plays Ramires and Ivanovic every game says it all really.He also plays Eden Hazard, Oscar and Willian in most games. These are fantastically exciting players but he isn't adverse to throwing in some work/warhorses at the same time to balance it out and keep things tight at the back.Then again he goes defensive when we're winning, which at times is really annoying. Winning 3-0 vs United and a thrasing could well have been the order of the day. They themselves sensed it bringing on a defender.Are you seriously moaning about us not beating United by more than 3-1???We've beat them 5-0 in the past but it didn't make us any more likely to win the title. That was a fantastic result.while when we were leading 3-0 against United (or lead in any game) we decide to shut up shop rather than hunt for more. Why all this negativity?Because we were beating the league leaders 3-0 at home so why bother risking it? Sorry, but I have to ask....what the fuck do you want? Barbara, TacticalBlues, bababoom and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Tactical genius is Mourinho! Never realised the point of the game was to win!So that means all other manager's philosophy is to lose? btw even that winning thing u said can be argued against since he has gone into some games this season just looking to draw lolWinning in the greater context. Looking at the games at Old trafford and the Emirates in isolation is missing the bigger picture. When I say he's driven by a philosophy to win, I mean his philosophy in the grand scheme of things isn't driven by an inclination to play a particular style of attacking football like Arsenal neither is it to defend. Unlike Wenger for example (who was beating Barca at emirates but went to camp nou and lost 4-0) Mourinho isn't so naive that he will stick to one philosophy but changes it for each game depending on what is required to win trophies in the grand scheme of things. ala. Inter Milan v Barca. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldane 64 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Winning in the greater context. Looking at the games at Old trafford and the Emirates in isolation is missing the bigger picture. When I say he's driven by a philosophy to win, I mean his philosophy in the grand scheme of things isn't driven by an inclination to play a particular style of attacking football like Arsenal neither is it to defend. Unlike Wenger for example (who was beating Barca at emirates but went to camp nou and lost 4-0) Mourinho isn't so naive that he will stick to one philosophy but changes it for each game depending on what is required to win trophies in the grand scheme of things. ala. Inter Milan v Barca.Precisely simply trying to classify Mou's as being defensive or offensive is disingenuous, as he realized that winning things in the grand scheme depends more on flexiblity than anything else and his records speaks for itself I would think that in his mind the ends almost always justify the means which is why you'll seem him play 'negative' (lol) football to get results. TacticalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Of course winning is everything. Has Jose discovered how to attack when the other team parks 10 players in front of the box ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 He also plays Eden Hazard, Oscar and Willian in most games. These are fantastically exciting players but he isn't adverse to throwing in some work/warhorses at the same time to balance it out and keep things tight at the back.I don't think you actually even addressed my point. Are you referring to Ivanovic and Ramires as 'work/warhorses'? LOL. Yes let's put technically inept players at the core of the team because they work hard - passing the ball to the opposition and row Z must really take the life out of them.Are you seriously moaning about us not beating United by more than 3-1???We've beat them 5-0 in the past but it didn't make us any more likely to win the title. That was a fantastic result.Because we were beating the league leaders 3-0 at home so why bother risking it? Sorry, but I have to ask....what the fuck do you want?Let's not pretend most Chelsea fans (except you who deems any Mourinho move fantastic) weren't disappointed that on the one occasion there was a heavy chance of running riot against a poor United side there for the taking Mourinho decided to shut up shop and they ended up with a much more respectable scoreline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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