The Mourinho Thread

[manpe 10,861]

I'm not dictating what the community should be seriously discussing, I'm not a member of the Gestapo. I am questioning it, as I'm amazed it has come to this, I really am.

Are you amazed that the community has reacted this way or are you amazed that the club is in the state in which it is? If it's the first, then you have been a member long enough not to be amazed by this. Heads have rolled for far, far less over here. If you are amazed by the state of things in the club, then I'm with you.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

how?

care to explain?

Yes.

Too many players make too many individual mistakes... Ivanovic,Terry,Cahill etc....

They are the same players that won the league a few months ago. jose is the same manager with the same tactics.

Something is wrong with the players mentality. some of them look like they don't give a fuck. some of them just in a very poor form.

Jose tries to protect them, to give them time to try to recover but nothing till now.

[Jase 43,479]

I'm not dictating what the community should be seriously discussing, I'm not a member of the Gestapo. I am questioning it, as I'm amazed it has come to this, I really am.

Time for me to take a break from this place, I think.

To be fair Alex, given the complete mess we are in right now and the part Mourinho has played in this, think it's fair to have the poll above (even if I don't necessarily like it). Even the man himself practically challenged Roman to sack him after the game.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Are you amazed that the community has reacted this way or are you amazed that the club is in the state in which it is? If it's the first, then you have been a member long enough not to be amazed by this. Heads have rolled for far, far less over here. If you are amazed by the state of things in the club, then I'm with you.

Both, to be totally honest.

[Fernando 6,585]

Forget about the sack at this point, let him in charge until May with one clear objective - Champions League football next season with no transfers in the next window.

From now on Roman should grab his phone, call Guardiola and do everything in his power to convince him to come here. Big salary and big money for transfers next summer considering we've saved a huge amount this summer and will be saving again this winter.

Give Guardiola 150-200m and he'd rebuild the squad completely with players to fit his philosophy and hit the ground running from the very first match. He's not known as a big spender so he'd probably build his core around players similar to Thiago, Douglas Costa, Alaba, Boateng et al. That's fine with me.

Chelsea should have enough to finish at least 4th and I'm more than sure that Guardiola would at least listen to what Roman would have to say.

IMHO, Guardiola is the only one that could change the mentality at this club and take us to next level. Others would only do what Mourinho did - have a short term impact, but then fade away. This is why I think the Mourinho should not get the sack right now.

Awesome post my friend.

This is would be the right way about doing things.

Lets hope it can be executed.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Imo, the players are more guilty than him.

Disagree with that. The players deserve blame for our poor form but it's clear that something isn't right behind the scenes.

When so many players play like shit for such an extended period of time you have to start looking at the manager, his tactics and the team atmosphere.

[Henrique 9,133]

Looks like we have to win the Europa League or Champions League (again) this season.

I was thinking about thats, imagine a cynic strategy. The team end in 3rd in group stage, just to have e genuine chance of winning EL and getting into UCL next year.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

As for anyone comparing him to sir Alex, that is like comparing a top class player to a legendary player. If that was the case everytime a manager is in a sticky situation anyone can just point at 'look at sir Alex, just give him more time' and no one will ever be sacked. There is a reason why 'Sir Alex' is even a thing, that is because he has endured the test of time like no others and Mourinho can't ever come close to that so it is pointless for comparison.

Also the situation is a lot different at MU than Chelsea, in his worst time Sir Alex still shows that he knows how to get the team back on track, with Mourinho it is always simple down and out route, he has never actually managed a big comeback in his managerial career, as soon as things get tough he falls out with the people above and get sacked/leave 'mutually'.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Okay, now that I've gotten back home and calmed down a bit. Here's my two cents. It's a bit lengthy, but whatever.

Not only can we not manage to show even a semblance of attacking football, but we are a disaster in defence. All our attacking players are losing their technical abilities. Costa, Fabregas, Matic, Willian, OSCAR, even Eden has started to show signs. This guys can't even control a football anymore. It's that bad. Wonder why?

I remember when Mourinho said, "If I want to win 1-0, I think I can as a I think it is one of the easiest things in football. It is not so difficult.". The problem with self-aggrandizing declarations like that is somehow, someway, they always find a way of coming back to bite you in the ass.

Mourinho has believed his hype for too long as the so-called Special One. In his 1st spell here, the (English) media, most especially Sky helped to feed his ego as this tactical wizard, a Harry Potter if you like, who knew everything there is to know about football. When Mourinho's Chelsea won a big game, it was all about Mourinho's amazing tactical ability. When we lost, deafening silence and zero credit to the other manager. This did no good for his career, as instead of trying to improve his weak points, he stuck to what had made him so successful initially. Football, in a dynamic sense, is an ever changing sport. If you stand still, you're going to get crossed over eventually. Now Mourinho is having serious problems replicating his earlier successes with a team built to ATTACK at his disposal. As was the case at Madrid, even before the schism he started in the dressing room.

In Mourinho's first press conference when he returned, he said he was a better manager in 2013 than he was back in 2005. The evidence now suggests otherwise, as his team has only shown 3 months of good football in nearly 3 years and less silverwate. There's no doubt about it in my mind, he's been exposed as a manager. His entire schtick of defending very deep and narrow and hoping for counter-attacks and set-piece goals is not only undesirable at Big European powerhouse clubs, but is no longer effectual, at least when given an attacking team to manage. Mourinho will no doubt have success if he returned to Inter and was given free reign over the type of players he wants and the brand of football he is most capable of deploying. But as far as managing at the very top of Europe, I think he's done. Unless he goes back to basics and does a refresher course in fundamental attacking tactics or hires an attacking coach to his backroom staff. Ferguson had no problem with the latter, it still remains to be seen if his enormous ego will allow him to do either of these things.

This is why he should never have been hired in the first place. Our board continues to amaze with its atrocious managerial decisions. Sign young, but immensely talented flair attackers in Hazard, Oscar, Mata, De Bruyne and give them to Mourinho to manage. Incredible lack of foresight.

[TheIceMan 596]

So much Plastic.......................

[Tomo 21,751]

There has to be some fucking order in this club. It's a mess. A complete mess. I truly believe Mourinho has lost it in the dressing room and currently we have no true leader to bring the team back together. I want Drogba back. Not in the squad but in our dressing room. It was so obvious he was one the key players to winning the title last season, motivating the team in the dressing room.

I cannot stress myself again, what he did with Matic and Willian today was stupid. And it angers me even more, that the worst offenders Fabregas and Ivanovic are still left alone.

For those who think Mourinho can still fix it in the end, by the time he fixes it, it'll be too late.

Although I don't doubt Didier's influence in the dressing room, I'm not sure how much influence he could have in turning these results around, let's not forget he was actually at the club in the run of 10/11, when the dressing room revolted against AVB and was one of the main players that turned on Scolari.

[Styles 9,790]

We're the defending Premier League champions. And we're 16th in the table having let in 21 goals this season already. "Shambles" is complimentary of our efforts thus far.

True. I think Mourinho's management has been truly shambolic - what he did to Matic today was the definition of shambolic.

Sacking him now wouldn't ruin the club's reputation any further than it has been already.