LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Safe to say quite a few Chels wont be inviting him for dinner And those who do will have ulterior motives Blue_Fox_ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 We just don't seem to know who/want we want.hire a new manager and no doubt all go the same as before and before know it looking all over againI'm fairly sure we in the forum don't know, i doubt the board and Roman don't know what they want to do right now, if so....god help us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,810 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 And those who do will have ulterior motives You mean his big arse ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Fox_ 2,086 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 You mean his big arse ?More like...they'll have him for dinner. Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 That's our manager. When we win, he claims to be the best. When we lose, the team is bad, the referees are awful, but he still claims to be the best.Did you even watched yesterday's interview? Jose said he is the best coach Chelsea has even had and it would be useless to argue with that. I can't say I like what he said but it's truth. And these claims "when we win Jose claims himself to be the best" is complete false. He never says that. I don't know what he thinks but he always praises the players. Watch his interviews after winning titles then... Blue_Fox_, stroey, Jokesy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 True, but Klopp is just another Chelsea experiment. Like Peace was just talking about identity above, what exactly do we want from this team/any manager? We seem to hire managers that don't seem to get the best out of any squad we've built. Mourinho can't unlock Hazard's potential, AVB couldn't make Hazard/Mata/Oscar click together, Scolari couldn't bring the South American flare to Chelsea. What exactly are we building here? Let's be frank, our next coach won't last longer than 3 seasons, let's accept that.. So what's the long term strategy exactly?Yo Conficius, AVB was before that trio were at the club.Lionsden is spot on with that latest post. It's the lack of vision that hurts any kind of stability. You needed a spoon but you got a knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokesy 53 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Not defending Fabregas lack of form but I'm surprised most people actually think his role is DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 No. The point of his post is that a well defined and implemented identity is what gives a club stability and not necessarily the ability to retain the same manager for many years. A good example of how the board have contributed greatly to our lack of identity is how they invested tons into the academy and youth players with the promise of one day producing first team players out of the crop and changing the style of play for more attacking and expansive one and that was reflected in the type of players we were buying but then what did they did the most confusing thing ever by employing a manager who is the very opposite of what the club is aiming to achieve to oversee the project.That's just poor planning and implementation of policy.they are all over the place with what it is they really aim to achieve.You will never see well run clubs with an identity like Bayern and barca buy players and hire managers who go against the clubs policy/identity. The decisions from which manager to hire to which players to buy etc are done with great levelnof purpose at these clubs.Just a little thing about your Bayern comment. Pep is a manager that's against the Bayern identity. That's why there's many Bayern supporters that don't like him, even though of the success they've had with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yo Conficius, AVB was before that trio were at the club.Lionsden is spot on with that latest post. It's the lack of vision that hurts any kind of stability. You needed a spoon but you got a knife.Yeah I just read through, definitely agree with him and Peace's posts. We don't have any kind of identity because of the mismatch between players and management.. That what happens when you go after names as opposed to merit lol. I.e. Falcao = name Stats, DYC. and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Not defending Fabregas lack of form but I'm surprised most people actually think his role is DM.IMO, it's the same thing Lampard went through towards the end of his career here. He's too slow to play the no. 10, but he doesn't defend well enough to play DM. LDN Blue and Jokesy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 IMO, it's the same thing Lampard went through towards the end of his career here. He's too slow to play the no. 10, but he doesn't defend well enough to play DM.Spot on. I don't really get how anyone thought Lampard could play that position, he'd never done it before and looked completely out of his depth. But the question is, where do you actually put these players once they're past that AM capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 if there were a younger manager like Eddie Howe Chelsea could hire, I would be for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmk108 1,186 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Spot on. I don't really get how anyone thought Lampard could play that position, he'd never done it before and looked completely out of his depth. But the question is, where do you actually put these players once they're past that AM capabilities.The bench But really, I don't think there's a place for a player like that in 4-2-3-1. Bring him in when we're up and want to slow things down or are down and need one of the 2 DMs to go forward more, but they just don't really have the tools to play anywhere in a normal 4-2-3-1 setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,754 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 True, but Klopp is just another Chelsea experiment. Like Peace was just talking about identity above, what exactly do we want from this team/any manager? We seem to hire managers that don't seem to get the best out of any squad we've built. Mourinho can't unlock Hazard's potential, AVB couldn't make Hazard/Mata/Oscar click together, Scolari couldn't bring the South American flare to Chelsea. What exactly are we building here? Let's be frank, our next coach won't last longer than 3 seasons, let's accept that.. So what's the long term strategy exactly?There is flaws in any system, would Pellegrini get more out of Hazard and Oscar? Probably, but he also has no idea how to coach defending and it holds City back, give Mou or even Mancini/Benitez Kompany, Mangala and Otemendi with Fernandinho protecting them and our only 15 goals conceded record would be in some danger. LDN Blue and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 The bench But really, I don't think there's a place for a player like that in 4-2-3-1. Bring him in when we're up and want to slow things down or are down and need one of the 2 DMs to go forward more, but they just don't really have the tools to play anywhere in a normal 4-2-3-1 setup.Yeah exactly.United signed 3 CMs in 2 years and they're all world class lmao. It's not like the club can blame a lack of options, hell even Vidal went for an equivalent of peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 There is flaws in any system, would Pellegrini get more out of Hazard and Oscar? Probably, but he also has no idea how to coach defending and it holds City back, give Mou or even Mancini/Benitez Kompany, Mangala and Otemendi with Fernandinho protecting them and our only 15 goals conceded record would be in some danger.For the life of me, I won't get why he plays Fernando! Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokesy 53 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 IMO, it's the same thing Lampard went through towards the end of his career here. He's too slow to play the no. 10, but he doesn't defend well enough to play DM.In addition to what you said, I actually think his role is more like a trequatista/creative CM. More like Sneijder(at inter)/Pirlo/Xavi/Alonso's role. With good DM behind them they play well, but without one they look mostly hopeless when the team is under pressure.Ramires provided that cover yesterday and he played well until Matic came into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Liverpool have just sacked Brendan Rodgers. Klopp might be heading there soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Jason beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 And Liverpool are playing better than us. We have sacked managers for way way less before. xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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