Baba Rahman

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

Yup. Baba has not impressed much at all in the limited time he's been given. I can only assume he isn't impressing much in training either. Compare it with someone like RLC who has had just as many limited minutes but has looked far more impressive than Baba. I actually think (unfortunately) that Azpi and Ivan are our best fullbacks by some distance, which is a shame.

Never convinced by the signing and he's not doing anything to prove me wrong so far but time will tell. Thought we should've got a more established fullback like Kurzawa or maybe Gaya in the summer.

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On 14/01/2016 at 6:20 AM, didierforever said:

perhaps. or maybe those managers have the balls to drop underperforming players and actually put faith in others. be it lukaku, kdb, bertrand, baba, luis. the list goes on and on.

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

also, iva is 31 already. baba is 21 and has a good future ahead of him. instead of investing our time in giving baba the required experience, we wasted it on playing iva match after match. now, dont get me wrong. i have nothing against iva i love the guy just like jose, but not when it harms the club. but then again, not every one can be as good a fan as you. or maybe you just love the moral high ground. oh well.

I doubt either one of us would like to live in a world where opinions about which manager picks which players is an issue over which the moral high ground could be fought.

As for whether managers err less because they manage clubs you don't support, you've missed the point.

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21 hours ago, Tomo said:

If we are going to take the risk then Kenedy at left back is probably a better bet at the minute, his display against Norwich is better than anything we've seen from Baba so far, in my opinion, I really hope Guus carries on that expierment.

With the Baba vs Ivanovic thing, Baba has been very shaky so far, so easing him into it is the right thing, having so many bad expierences at a young age in football can affect you mentally, you only need to look at Scott Carson as proof of that, he was developing very nicely until Croatia gate happened.

fair enough. kenedy or baba. even though, I don't want to see any more players out of position.

as for easing baba in. I have to disagree. now or rather, 2 months ago was not the time to think about the long term effect of the bad game on baba. we needed wins. we needed points and most importantly we needed CHANGE. I have been crying for it since the city game. its not just hindsight that talking. we should have played/trusted baba more. look at zouma. he was average at best last season. he has been quite good this season. he is still making mistakes and will continue for a year or so until he gets the required experience, but atleast we are progressing in the right direction with him as one half of our CB. jose "easing" zouma in, dint mean that he absolutely stopped making mistakes.

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2 hours ago, didierforever said:

fair enough. kenedy or baba. even though, I don't want to see any more players out of position.

as for easing baba in. I have to disagree. now or rather, 2 months ago was not the time to think about the long term effect of the bad game on baba. we needed wins. we needed points and most importantly we needed CHANGE. I have been crying for it since the city game. its not just hindsight that talking. we should have played/trusted baba more. look at zouma. he was average at best last season. he has been quite good this season. he is still making mistakes and will continue for a year or so until he gets the required experience, but atleast we are progressing in the right direction with him as one half of our CB. jose "easing" zouma in, dint mean that he absolutely stopped making mistakes.

Even with us having nothing to play for, if Baba has regular bad games, he will be under the microscope, by the fans and pundits/journalist alike, especially considering his price tag which is astronomical for a full back.

All full backs are out of of position really, the more defensive ones start as centre back and ones that attack well start further forward, Pizckek (can't be bothered to Google the spelling) was a striker until he was 24.

Infact if Kenedy reaches his potential I can see him being a much better Zhirkov, left back and winger 2 in 1.

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Even with us having nothing to play for, if Baba has regular bad games, he will be under the microscope, by the fans and pundits/journalist alike, especially considering his price tag which is astronomical for a full back.

All full backs are out of of position really, the more defensive ones start as centre back and ones that attack well start further forward, Pizckek (can't be bothered to Google the spelling) was a striker until he was 24.

Infact if Kenedy reaches his potential I can see him being a much better Zhirkov, left back and winger 2 in 1.

so? let him be. this will be enough to decide if he has a future here or not. take the pressure off the kid, tell him that he will get ivanoviced no matter how he performs. access him till the end of the season. this is a professional footballer who has played for a good team in one of the top most leagues of the world. lets not treat him like a kid.

an odd game here and there is not a fair way to judge anyone. players are not robots that playing one game every 2 months, they will be perfectly match fit. this is what jose did with kdb, mata, salah, cuadrado, luis and every squad player. time to change SOMETHING.

i would rather use kenedy where he belongs. its not like hazard and pedro are setting the world alight as LW. pedro has been useless, oscar has always been useless. when hazard comes back, i would rather see hazard-willian-kenedy than pedro and oscar TRYING to play football

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On 1/14/2016 at 7:45 AM, didierforever said:

l know, but like @11Drogba said, iva is no yaya. pep replaced yaya at his peak, this was iva at his worst.

also, it was an example to show that sometimes risks have to be taken, that tried and tested is not the only right way.

 

 

Yaya was not at his peak then. For some unknown reason people had it in their minds Yaya was a CB or a DM. It wasn't until he was allowed to be a lazy fuck that scores goals and dominates in attack did he reach his peak. 2013-2015 Toure is one of the best players you'd see int he modern game. He was completely reborn at Manchester.

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Why haven't we signed a proper left back if his not good enough? 

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On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 11:47 AM, OhForAGreavsie said:

I doubt either one of us would like to live in a world where opinions about which manager picks which players is an issue over which the moral high ground could be fought.

As for whether managers err less because they manage clubs you don't support, you've missed the point.

ivanovic ball watching. and costs us another goal.

my best moment was when he fucks up and then shouts at zouma for not covering well.

BUT... what do i know.

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Maybe he wasn't amazing but atleast he hasn't made a mistake that cost us a goal, unlike Iva who's cost us a lot of goals.

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Just now, didierforever said:

perhaps. or maybe those managers have the balls to drop underperforming players and actually put faith in others. be it lukaku, kdb, bertrand, baba, luis. the list goes on and on.

pep dropped yaya toure for sergio busquets the KID. people laughed at him at that point, look at things now.

also, iva is 31 already. baba is 21 and has a good future ahead of him. instead of investing our time in giving baba the required experience, we wasted it on playing iva match after match. now, dont get me wrong. i have nothing against iva i love the guy just like jose, but not when it harms the club. but then again, not every one can be as good a fan as you. or maybe you just love the moral high ground. oh well.

 

 

Sergio Busquets was a very talented player that made sense to be promoted and played in that team because really Toure was a box to box player who was forced to play holding midfield. 

I mean to say that Jose not dropping Ivanovic for Baba, who really is quite average or he would of played eventually, doesn't have balls is ridiculous. He dropped Casillas, Pepe, Ramos at Real and whoever else at various clubs. I mean dropping Casillas in its own right cost him his job, if thats not balls then what is. That Porto team that won the CL as well under him, look at the young players and were they all went to and what the became, he doesn't just play 11 36 year olds at every club and intentionally neglect youth. Lukaku would probably of gotten a chance if he stayed here as well, that was all but confirmed before he decided to move to Everton and the others bar Filipe Luis who I agree with you on, were unproven and not completely ready/not good enough for Chelsea.

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17 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

 

 

Sergio Busquets was a very talented player that made sense to be promoted and played in that team because really Toure was a box to box player who was forced to play holding midfield. 

I mean to say that Jose not dropping Ivanovic for Baba, who really is quite average or he would of played eventually, doesn't have balls is ridiculous. He dropped Casillas, Pepe, Ramos at Real and whoever else at various clubs. I mean dropping Casillas in its own right cost him his job, if thats not balls then what is. That Porto team that won the CL as well under him, look at the young players and were they all went to and what the became, he doesn't just play 11 36 year olds at every club and intentionally neglect youth. Lukaku would probably of gotten a chance if he stayed here as well, that was all but confirmed before he decided to move to Everton and the others bar Filipe Luis who I agree with you on, were unproven and not completely ready/not good enough for Chelsea.

the jose before RM and the jose after RM are 2 different personalities, so i see no point in the comparision.

the jose at the 2nd spell, had NO balls. sergio was just one example. look at kane. the guy was a NOBODY. he got the nod over soldado. would this example make more sense? the point simply was that, jose did not try anything. it was not like RDM where after one bad month he got the axe. we were 2nd/3rd when RDM got fired. we were 15th when jose got fired and that too after 4 months. he had enough time to change and adapt. he had enough time to drop the under performers. he did not, and he rightfully got booted off.

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21 minutes ago, didierforever said:

the jose before RM and the jose after RM are 2 different personalities, so i see no point in the comparision.

the jose at the 2nd spell, had NO balls. sergio was just one example. look at kane. the guy was a NOBODY. he got the nod over soldado. would this example make more sense? the point simply was that, jose did not try anything. it was not like RDM where after one bad month he got the axe. we were 2nd/3rd when RDM got fired. we were 15th when jose got fired and that too after 4 months. he had enough time to change and adapt. he had enough time to drop the under performers. he did not, and he rightfully got booted off.

Only he didn't, he dropped each and every player in the starting XI maybe not for an extensive period of time, but each player got dropped at 1 point, his only mistake for me was not to play RLC, Kenedy, Traoré more often, but then again not even Hiddink is doing that so much. The team is just limited in options and quality, as to why is that, that's an entirely different discussion.

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He can't be worse than Ivanovic. What I'm saying is that now with Ivan on RB we are weak in defending and attacking on the right wing. Azpi is strong at LB in defence, but brings almost nothing in attack. With Azpi on RB we will have one really solid right wing with Azpi and Willian both running and covering space. From what Baba showed I can say that he can be very helpful in attack, but not so strong at defending. And that's not a hard thing to come to your mind. Some people get paid to think for formations and starting elevens, but can't think of how better our team will look with Azpi and Baba, than Ivan and Azpi.

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3 hours ago, didierforever said:

ivanovic ball watching. and costs us another goal.

my best moment was when he fucks up and then shouts at zouma for not covering well.

BUT... what do i know.

I don't know if this was caught by the cameras but that outburst was in part a reaction to the fact that Zouma was criticising Brana throughout the game. Kurt's annoyance pleased me immensely. Not so much because he was right, that much is obvious, but because it seems to me to be a sign of growing self confidence.

I have a long standing suspicion about Brana which dates back to the Swansea semi-final three years back. If correct it would offer an explanation for his often bizarre performances. I've no evidence to support my guess however and it's the sort of thing one shouldn't say without evidence.

Bringing it back to Baba; how bad would he have to be to slip below Brana in the pecking order? Probably about as bad as he's looked in most of his first team appearances. I simply don't agree that a footballer gets selected just because he's young. First he has somehow to convince the coach to give him a try. Two managers have now made it clear that baba has not yet done that to their satisfaction.

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7 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I don't know if this was caught by the cameras but that outburst was in part a reaction to the fact that Zouma was criticising Brana throughout the game. Kurt's annoyance pleased me immensely. Not so much because he was right, that much is obvious, but because it seems to me to be a sign of growing self confidence.

I have a long standing suspicion about Brana which dates back to the Swansea semi-final three years back. If correct it would offer an explanation for his often bizarre performances. I've no evidence to support my guess however and it's the sort of thing one shouldn't say without evidence.

Bringing it back to Baba; how bad would he have to be to slip below Brana in the pecking order? Probably about as bad as he's looked in most of his first team appearances. I simply don't agree that a footballer gets selected just because he's young. First he has somehow to convince the coach to give him a try. Two managers have now made it clear that baba has not yet done that to their satisfaction.

while baba has not set the world alight, he has performed okay. none of the goals we have conceded have been direct 100% mistakes of his ability (or rather lack of in iva's case).

again, with the same argument? jose used something as silly as "height" to justify his selection. that should be an indicator of the level of his biasness.

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34 minutes ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Only he didn't, he dropped each and every player in the starting XI maybe not for an extensive period of time, but each player got dropped at 1 point, his only mistake for me was not to play RLC, Kenedy, Traoré more often, but then again not even Hiddink is doing that so much. The team is just limited in options and quality, as to why is that, that's an entirely different discussion.

he never dropped iva. iva was injured and even then baba did not get a long term opportunity. we played zouma as a right back. after his injury, iva slotted right in.

how is a player supposed to put in a brilliant performance when he plays once every 2 months. baba had this done to him, remy had this done to him. these are humans, not bots. these players deserved extended run. also, when did jose play RLC? under jose RLC's last game was 45 minutes against villa after a whole international break (2 weeks) of running his mouth about RLC being "ready". jose was nothing but a fraud when it came to youth. just like his "academy day".

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

Jose has a bias in favour of the players he thinks are best able to contribute good performances for his team.