Spike 12,049 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Do you think Baba deserves and has deserved more chances ahead of Ivanovic right now and earlier in the season? Do you think Luis deserved more chances last season? "Yes" or "no" questions.No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth.You talk about being protected and eased in, how many minutes exactly has he got in the premier league? I think the answer is a big fat zero. And that despite our defence leaking worse than ever before mainly from our right side, and what has been tried to rectify the situation? Dropping a left-sided central defender? I guess that's worked wonders so far. This is beyond age, protection and adaptation. It's about using the squad to its full extent and exploring different possibilities and potentials, which hasn't been done. He is protecting someone, but it's not Baba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 No and no. At the beginning of the season no-one could have predicted Ivan's loss of ability and form, there was no reason for Baba to even be in contention at the beginning. There is more than enough time for Baba this season (fucks sake man, he could still get 30+ Premier League games) and Filipe lost his position to Azpilicueta and could never get it back. He got ample chances to prove his worth.Luis never had the position in the first place. He rarely got chances. Not sure what games you think he had enough. He rarely came in for rotation and only played more than one successive game it seems when Azpi got sent off against Palace. Other than that he was not given a chance to prove himself. Just seemed a pointless buy as we did not utilize him much and he is a very good LB. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You talk about being protected and eased in, how many minutes exactly has he got in the premier league? I think the answer is a big fat zero. And that despite our defence leaking worse than ever before mainly from our right side, and what has been tried to rectify the situation? Dropping a left-sided central defender? I guess that's worked wonders so far. This is beyond age, protection and adaptation. It's about using the squad to its full extent and exploring different possibilities and potentials, which hasn't been done. He is protecting someone, but it's not Baba.Very rare for ANY manager to replace a misfiring senior with an unknown young player in a time like this when the team is performing poorly. Unless the young player is showing signs in training that he is more than ready - we can give the benefit of the doubt and assume he hasn't been showing signs of being ready: looking for a house... is shy... difficult communicating... etc we don't know but have to assume our coaches are not quacks.Now if we start talking about the squad and our quiet transfer window, then I'm with most here. The squad makes no sense and is nowhere near the level to compete against the top teams in Europe regardless of form - wrote that before the start of the season. We just have too many average and "projects" at the moment. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 1) I get that you want to steadily introduce him to the team but that requires rotation - something Mourinho is scared off. Where are games that he is supposed to play ? Why not against Porto ? Now we have must-win against Dynamo in the Champions League - looks like Baba has to wait until Maccabi to have his chance in the Champions League. So maybe Capital One Cup ? Now we have Stoke AWAY, why would he play there if he can't play in the Premier League ?He absolutely should play on Saturday if he doesn't we're very short in games that he can actually play.I get it you don't want to baptize him through fire and throw him at Old Trafford but Southampton at home ?The second thing is that I don't know why he isn't ready when our opponents actually PLAY inexperienced left-backs in 19 years old Galloway and 20 years Mbabu (who?) and somehow they cope with it - why the better player like Baba can't play ? They can throw youth at us but we can't at them even though we have full-international at our disposal FFS !2) He cost 25m€. He didn't play against Porto. Because it's too risky ? Because it's away and he could not cope with it ? It's absolutely hilarious that 25m€ player is on our bench and not ready when he would be THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER IN HISTORY for our opponent. You can't make up stuff like this. zolayes, Peace. and Last Sicarius 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 1) I get that you want to steadily introduce him to the team but that requires rotation - something Mourinho is scared off. Where are games that he is supposed to play ? Why not against Porto ? Now we have must-win against Dynamo in the Champions League - looks like Baba has to wait until Maccabi to have his chance in the Champions League. So maybe Capital One Cup ? Now we have Stoke AWAY, why would he play there if he can't play in the Premier League ?He absolutely should play on Saturday if he doesn't we're very short in games that he can actually play.I get it you don't want to baptize him through fire and throw him at Old Trafford but Southampton at home ?The second thing is that I don't know why he isn't ready when our opponents actually PLAY inexperienced left-backs in 19 years old Galloway and 20 years Mbabu (who?) and somehow they cope with it - why the better player like Baba can't play ? They can throw youth at us but we can't at them even though we have full-international at our disposal FFS !2) He cost 25m. He didn't play against Porto. Because it's too risky ? Because it's away and he could not cope with it ? It's absolutely hilarious that 25m player is on our bench and not ready when he would be THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLAYER IN HISTORY for our opponent. You can't make up stuff like this.You make good points but not the price tag one. Esp when comparing with Porto. Porto goes buy a player in Brazil he cost X if Chelsea goes buy the same player it's 2*x.Reckon if the team were playing well baba would have already played more. But we don't know his state of mind or what he's been doing in training but we pretend to know all the same.Plus we all talk about Jose as if he made all the decisions alone which is not true. He has the last word but many coaches are watching these players and telling him what they think. Jose has even signed players based on reports alone from people who report to him.Now we also know Jose is indeed shy on rotation and the squad itself isn't built for rotation imo.Final point : finally watched Porto first goal and ivsnovic is hardly the only one to blame. Which brings me to my recurring point, replace him and little will change.The problem is always in the middle and our midfield was poor against Porto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You make good points but not the price tag one. Esp when comparing with Porto. Porto goes buy a player in Brazil he cost X if Chelsea goes buy the same player it's 2*x.Kenedy ? He cost the price that Porto is paying for those Brazilians. Chelsea is hardly milked nowadays.Yes, it's incredible that we have a player who's not ready to play against a team he would be the most expensive in their history. Could you imagine Porto wouldn't play Imbula (their most expensive signing ever) because they think he's not ready to play against Chelsea ?Let alone price, if Porto had Baba he would play against Chelsea, I'm 99% sure about it - why he can't play against Porto ? It's similar what I wrote above - Galloway can play against Chelsea but you can be absolutely sure at Chelsea he wouldn't be "ready" to play against Everton. Blue-in-me-Veins and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,048 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We need a LB more than ever, but he's stuck on the bench. I haven't got a clue who are signing players now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despiadado.Maleante 1,046 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Let's be honest. A prime Roberto Carlos wouldn't start here with Ivanovic in the team. The Chels, 11Drogba, killer1257 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakhov 253 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Let's be honest. A prime Roberto Carlos wouldn't start here with Ivanovic in the team.Great going forward but defensively suspect. Who needs a fullback that can attack, cross, shoot and score blinders once in a while.R.Carlos won't be able to take the goal-kick punt to the head which is our patented move. Azpi as LB and the one-footed R.Carlos as RB, that would be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Not Gonna play tomorrow too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Not Gonna play tomorrow too... Nah i just guess that he isn't fit? nah. Baba without leg>Iva in nowadays form... xPetrCechx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MefiX19 1,092 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Not Gonna play tomorrow too... Probably gonna play in CL vs Dinamo Kiev at Bridge, thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 He should leave chelsea. No hope because of Mourinho Girlfriend Iva King11Didier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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