Controversial football opinions

[iseah100 5,612]

England are amazing

There is such thing as a stupid opinion.

[dUMB 189]

England are amazing

England is overrated

Edit: Also, Henderson is overrated.

Lallana is underrated.

[Billy. 2,742]

There is such thing as a stupid opinion.

also such a thing as sarcasm

[Billy. 2,742]

England is overrated

Edit: Also, Henderson is overrated.

Lallana is underrated.

England are not overrated at all, all English fans know we are shit

[Billy. 2,742]

Carvalho and Gallas are a million times better defenders than Terry is/was

[dUMB 189]

England are not overrated at all, all English fans know we are shit

You're far from shit.

It's just my opinion based on fact how much other countries respect you when they play with you. Like you're top 5, and it's closer to top 20 actually.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

Bosingwa was not that bad.

[didierforever 7,349]

Carvalho and Gallas are a million times better defenders than Terry is/was

[Billy. 2,742]

[didierforever 7,349]

i know that the thread says "controversial" opinions. but that one was taking it to another level.

[Tomo 21,733]

I couldn't disagree more with @billy here, Terry in his prime was the best defender in his generation, in fact ill go one further and say he is one off the best off all time.

Carvalho and Gallas were world class without a shadow of a doubt tho, but Terry was something special, the fact even now at 34 nearly he is still maintaining a very high level says it all.

I use to love the myth Carvalho made him look better than he was, made me laugh every time, JT is brilliant whoever is beside him from Carvalho to Cahill right down to Ben Ham.

[The Chels 2,502]

Rafa Benitez's achievements with Valencia winning the league should be regarded as highly as, if not higher than Diego Simeone's title win last year

Why so? Valencia won the league with 77 points which shows you how poor their competition was (in second place was Barca with 72 points). Atletico won it with 90 points and had Barca/Madrid breathing down their neck with 87 points. Both teams had European distractions and Atletico made the CL final whereas Valencia won the Uefa Cup (which is a lot easier and less draining).

[Jase 43,479]

Nope.

Ronaldo's goals and ages:

1993: 20 goals in 21 matches. (16-17 years old)

1994-1995: 24 goals in 26 matches for Cruzeiro, 35 goals in 36 matches for PSV. (17-18 years old)

1995-1996: 19 goals in 21 matches. (19 years old) PSV.

1996-1997: 47 goals in 49 matches. (20 years old) Barcelona.

1997-1998: 34 goals in 47 matches. (21 years old) Internazionale.

1998-1999: 15 goals in 28 matches. (22 years old) Internazionale.

1999-2000: 03 goals in 08 matches. (23 years old) Here starts his major injury problems.

2000-2001: 00 goals in 00 matches. (24 years old) His injury was so bad he missed an entire season.

Total: 197 goals in 236 matches. 0,83 goals per match.

Ronaldo didn't even get to hit the best years of his career before fucking up his knees. It's like if Hazard got severely injured in this season, he's just entering his prime years. When you say he's an icon of the early 2000's says it all. In the 2000's he was already about half the player he previously was and was still amazing. Let's see Messi.

Messi:

2004-2005: 01 goal in 09 matches (17 years old)

2005-2006: 08 goals in 25 matches (18 years old)

2006-2007: 16 goals in 40 matches (19 years old)

2007-2008: 38 goals in 51 matches (20 years old)

2008-2009: 47 goals in 53 matches (21 years old)

2009-2010: 53 goals in 55 matches (22 years old)

2010-2011: 73 goals in 60 matches (23 years old)

Total: 236 goals in 293 matches. 0,80 goals per match.

As you can see, they're about evenly matched until Ronaldo got injured. In addition, Messi only started scoring more than a goal per game in the exact same age as Ronaldo barely played because of his knee injury. Also keep in mind that in those last seasons before the major injuries Ronaldo also struggled with minor ones (see how he's only played 28 and 08 matches in the last two) and moved to the Italian league, where, let's face it, defences were WAY better than anything we see in La Liga these days, especially at the time when it was one of the strongest if not the strongest league in the world.

CR7 bloomed even later than Messi, so there's really no comparison.

Not only Ronaldo did manage to score as much, but also OUTSCORE CR7 and Messi in his early years of career before injury. You're wrong. That's why people wonder how good he could have been if not for his fucked knees. If there was a player with similar skill (because he was so much more than number of goals per match) and numbers as 22-23 years old Ronaldo today, my brain can't even fathom the amount of hype he'd have. People would be oozing all over themselves everywhere on the internet.

Plenty of stats there. You have learned well from me.

[lionsden 4,689]

Prime Carvalho was better than JT imo but not "million times better"

[CHOULO19 24,332]

If JT had a bit more agility and speed, he would have been up there with Nesta as the best CBs in modern football.

[Spike 12,049]

I'd take JT over glass knees Nesta.

[dUMB 189]

I'd take JT over glass knees Nesta.

That's not controversial

[lionsden 4,689]

I'd take JT over glass knees Nesta.

Well you said you had take rather than JT is better, if it's the latter then that's just ridiculous and you would struggle to find even 1 person that saw both defenders in their prime agree with you. plenty of Italians and Milan fans consider Nesta as maldini's equal. that's how fecking great he was.