Filipe Luís

[Gilvorak 3,734]

we all know he is good in attack, its the defensive side of his game that matters.

its all about balance. we want eden to have a free role (or as free a role as anyone can have under jose). so we need someone who is solid defensively, and azpi fits the bill perfectly. i dont want us becoming arsenal where both the full backs are in the opposition box while the opposition counters and scores. azpi gives us balance, luis simply does not.

people saying that its cos of jose's lovefest with iva is ridiculous.

Stop it lad. He's miles better than both Azpilicueta and Ivanovic and it isn't be a debate. Only a handful of fullbacks can pull off that assist yesterday. Juventus, Atletico, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern the elite teams all play with offensive fullbacks stop acting like it's a foreign concept in football that's only limited to Arsenal.

[LAM09 6,827]

Stop it lad. He's miles better than both Azpilicueta and Ivanovic and it isn't be a debate. Only a handful of fullbacks can pull off that assist yesterday. Juventus, Atletico, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern the elite teams all play with offensive fullbacks stop acting like it's a foreign concept in football that's only limited to Arsenal.

Offensively. They're both better defensively IMO.

[didierforever 7,349]

Stop it lad. He's miles better than both Azpilicueta and Ivanovic and it isn't be a debate. Only a handful of fullbacks can pull off that assist yesterday. Juventus, Atletico, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern the elite teams all play with offensive fullbacks stop acting like it's a foreign concept in football that's only limited to Arsenal.

oh.. thats true.. probably thats the reason that JOSE FUCKING MOURINHO has him benched behind both ivanovic and azpilicueta. like always, a LOL-MAX opinion from gilvorak.

infact, i think he so many miles ahead that jose thought it unfair on the other wingers to play this god of a fullback.

i mean he is so far ahead that we are thinking of selling him and replacing him with ake/toby.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Sky Sports "sources" saying that we, quite rightly, won't sell Luis for anything less than the £15.8 million we invested in his transfer.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Filipe is not poor defender. Certainly no worse than Ivanovic. But his style of defending is based on pressing and intensity. I would compare this to Matic who is brilliant in intercepting the ball but when he defends deep in standing situation he's rather average. Filipe is average 1on1 defender, yes, but I don't think that Marcelo, Jordi Alba or David Alaba are better. I don't even think that Marcelo and Alba would play here either even though they're clearly top full-backs. Only Alaba but that's due to his physique, he is strong player.

We have disorganized pressing and have too many passengers. Fabregas, Ivanovic, Cahill and JT are so poor in putting pressing, it's no surprise. Filipe in place of Azpilcueta doesn't make things better. Azpilicueta is a monster in applying pressure and in 1on1 situation, clearly the best in the world combining both things.

But without him we're loosing the best presser so it doesn't make sense. The only way to utilize Filipe properly is to drop at least two of this band : Fabregas, Ivanovic, Cahill, JT.

I don't understand saying that Filipe can't play because Hazard has free role. What is that, we allow Hazard to have free role ? So he didn't make 2 mistakes in Atletico game when he switched off ? He has free role apparently ...

But second thing, Ronaldo is way lazier worker than Hazard and Marcelo is more offensive than Filipe, yet Mourinho allowed the pair to play on the left side for 3 years no matter what. So does problem really lay in Hazard ? I think we should look elsewhere. JT, Cahill, Ivanovic, Fabregas ...

Just 2 days ago Mourinho said in BT event that one of the great quality of the manager is that he masks team flaws. So there you go, just what Mourinho does now when he has JT and Cahill as the pair of CBs.

Therefore I think that Filipe should be used as a bargaining cheap, as much as I like him. We should land either of Koke or Griezmann thanks to him.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Offensively. They're both better defensively IMO.

Highly doubt that. Azpi is the better defender when it comes to playing deep and the reactive Mou plays, but when it comes to playing aggressive football and high pressure Luis every day of the week. Luis is better then Ivanovic on every aspect except set pieces.

[LAM09 6,827]

Highly doubt that. Azpi is the better defender when it comes to playing deep and the reactive Mou plays, but when it comes to playing aggressive football and high pressure Luis every day of the week. Luis is better then Ivanovic on every aspect except set pieces.

When you play on the counter, they are better options. Iva is a CB that has been played out of position for years. Remember that.

[Oscar 441]

Dave will never see the la roja jersey.....

Gaya is the future lb of Spain. Could be argued he is better than alba already.

[Clockwork 1,794]

When you play on the counter, they are better options. Iva is a CB that has been played out of position for years. Remember that.

Not really, there are two ways to play on the counter an aggresive way and passive way. Alti and Dortmund plays aggressively on the counter, allow you to get to a certain point and they aggressively pressure you to create counter. A passive way would be how we sometime play in big games wait for the attackers to make a mistake and counter.

Ivanovic playing out of position does not make him a better option then Luis, and secondly he has played almost exclusively as a RB since arriving here. Who is to say to he is playing out of position?

[LAM09 6,827]

Not really, there are two ways to play on the counter an aggresive way and passive way. Alti and Dortmund plays aggressively on the counter, allow you to get to a certain point and they aggressively pressure you to create counter. A passive way would be how we sometime play in big games wait for the attackers to make a mistake and counter.

Ivanovic playing out of position does not make him a better option then Luis, and secondly he has played almost exclusively as a RB since arriving here. Who is to say to he is playing out of position?

Himself - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1336397/Branislav-Ivanovic-doesnt-want-Chelsea-wide-boy.html

[Clockwork 1,794]

Himself - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1336397/Branislav-Ivanovic-doesnt-want-Chelsea-wide-boy.html

Meh that was 5 years ago.

Btw i always believed he was a better RB, but probably at his age with loss of his physical ability he would better suit the CB position atm. Some players have done that including Maldini.

Also no shame in not being better then Luis, very few imo are better then him.

[LAM09 6,827]

Meh that was 5 years ago.

Btw i always believed he was a better RB, but probably at his age with loss of his physical ability he would better suit the CB position atm. Some players have done that including Maldini.

Also no shame in not being better then Luis, very few imo are better then him.

It's always been his preferred position. I have always said Luis should be our LB and Azpi as RB, but it just hasn't happened. Doubt it ever will to be honest.

[Oscar 441]

It's always been his preferred position. I have always said Luis should be our LB and Azpi as RB, but it just hasn't happened. Doubt it ever will to be honest.

crazy thing is that jose had marcelo and ronaldo on one side when neither of them played any defense at all. However, real was just significantly better than everyone else.

[LAM09 6,827]

crazy thing is that jose had marcelo and ronaldo on one side when neither of them played any defense at all. However, real was just significantly better than everyone else.

I know. He changed his style, but the trophies didn't flow.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

oh.. thats true.. probably thats the reason that JOSE FUCKING MOURINHO has him benched behind both ivanovic and azpilicueta. like always, a LOL-MAX opinion from gilvorak.

infact, i think he so many miles ahead that jose thought it unfair on the other wingers to play this god of a fullback.

i mean he is so far ahead that we are thinking of selling him and replacing him with ake/toby.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Azpilicueta is a great defensive fullback but he wouldn't get into any top team because he's a complete liability offensively. There's a reason he can't buy a callup for Spain.

Filipe Luis was part of one of the greatest defensive teams in La Liga history before he joined us but yeah he's a completely liability offensively.

You constantly slag off Oscar who Jose loves so save us the faux-outrage about us not believing Jose is always right.

[Rapkun 668]

One thing that really disapointed me about Filipe are his crosses. For a fullback who's supposedly very good going forward his crosses were often inaccurate or lacked effect. Jose tried to sub him in a few times when we needed a goal but he didn't really make the difference although part of the problem is that Eden dont use his fullback as much as he should.

I liked Filipe a lot when he was at Atletico but it seems he won't have a significant place here. I don't mind that we use him to land either Grizzy or Alderweireld.

[didierforever 7,349]

Stop embarrassing yourself. Azpilicueta is a great defensive fullback but he wouldn't get into any top team because he's a complete liability offensively. There's a reason he can't buy a callup for Spain.

Filipe Luis was part of one of the greatest defensive teams in La Liga history before he joined us but yeah he's a completely liability offensively.

You constantly slag off Oscar who Jose loves so save us the faux-outrage about us not believing Jose is always right.

does jose play oscar every match? oh wait, he drops him every time we have a top half team to play. hmmm..

now lets see, does jose drop azpi for the great luis? hmmm...

jose sees "potential" in oscar, which a lot of us can, but so far he has done nothing to give any indication that he would live upto it. so stop comparing apples and oranges.

interesting. paulo ferreira was 1/4th part of a defence that conceded 15 goals in a season. does that make him world class?

like u said, stop embarassing yourself.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Stop embarrassing yourself. Azpilicueta is a great defensive fullback but he wouldn't get into any top team because he's a complete liability offensively. There's a reason he can't buy a callup for Spain.

Filipe Luis was part of one of the greatest defensive teams in La Liga history before he joined us but yeah he's a completely liability offensively.

You constantly slag off Oscar who Jose loves so save us the faux-outrage about us not believing Jose is always right.

Lol ok. So Azpi is crap cos he's a traditional fullback.

No mate.