Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think some of you missed my point at my first post. Of course Costa has scored an amount of important goals, but almost all of them come when teams are playing well. Yes, there might be one or two moment of rebounds balls, but generally that is what happened until now, at Chelsea. This is my basic point, if you guys couldn't understand or accept this, we're better agree to disagree then because we have a different basic perception of it.If you understand that point, then go on. What I really mean with not a 'deadlock breaker' striker is that, he is more like a clinical finisher category striker. He needs someone to serve him with a good pass or cross, then he will finish it without problem. Of course some of them might come at the crucial time, or when we're in deadlock situation, I never denied it. And I never said he is shit and try to be ungrateful, unappreciative or something, I just pointed out his style of play, what kind of striker he is.And based on that, after last match, I fully realized and conclude that he is not a 'game changer' striker, because he is so far never stand out when team are struggling (don't asked me why I came out with conclusion only after recent match, I want to making sure of it first, and I think I have enough of assessment from the beginning of season until our last match). When the score are draw and we're struggling, he is barely couldn't create good chances to score, leave alone to found the back of the net suddenly, by his effort alone. This is my point, that he is not a 'game changer', 'deadlock breaker' striker or whatever you called it. If after that he then scored, almost sure, it is coming from Fabregas or Hazard or Oscar or Matic brilliant of play first, and pass or cross the ball to Costa.Well if some of you still disagree, we're agree to disagree then.I agree with you. Costa is a beast, but he needs the right passes to score. This is what he wasn't getting much of during his dry spell.He was he getting the ball in positions where he needed to dribble past a few players to get a shot off. If he's on form, he can score some special goals, but it's not his typical game. RoyalBlues and DYC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Jose Mourinho believes Diego Costa is unfairly being booked because referees have a 'certain image' of Chelsea strikerHard to disagree.. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 10 cards are 2 games ban, does 15 means 3? At this rate we can be looking at that sort of stuff unless Costa stop doing the dirty work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantdeville 195 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 10 cards are 2 games ban, does 15 means 3? At this rate we can be looking at that sort of stuff unless Costa stop doing the dirty work.Geez, now I'm having trouble remembering. But it's something along the lines of accruing yellows in sets of 5, before certain time periods throughout the season. So, it would be like saying 5 yellows by December is the first suspension; 10 before March is the second and 2 games; 15 before June (the end of domestic competition, in theory) is the third and 3 games and then after 15 he has to sit before a board and serve more severe punishments. Can anyone tell me if I'm close or if I'm just talkin out of my pooper. God knows I've been wrong before -__- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Jose Mourinho believes Diego Costa is unfairly being booked because referees have a 'certain image' of Chelsea strikerHard to disagree..Yes, a couple of his cards have been wrongly awarded, but you can also argue that he's been lucky to escape bookings more than once and even a sending off ve Sunderland. Certainly the last yellow was not unfair if that is what Jose referring to. It was a dive, there are no two ways about it. DYC. and LDN Blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pHaRaOn 2,131 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No way it was a dive. Huddlestone fouled him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavio 2 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think some of you missed my point at my first post. Of course Costa has scored an amount of important goals, but almost all of them come when teams are playing well. Yes, there might be one or two moment of rebounds balls, but generally that is what happened until now, at Chelsea. This is my basic point, if you guys couldn't understand or accept this, we're better agree to disagree then because we have a different basic perception of it.If you understand that point, then go on. What I really mean with not a 'deadlock breaker' striker is that, he is more like a clinical finisher category striker. He needs someone to serve him with a good pass or cross, then he will finish it without problem. Of course some of them might come at the crucial time, or when we're in deadlock situation, I never denied it. And I never said he is shit and try to be ungrateful, unappreciative or something, I just pointed out his style of play, what kind of striker he is. I don't get why people 'furious' with this tbh.And based on that, after last match, I fully realized and conclude that he is not a 'game changer' striker, because he is so far never stand out when team are struggling (don't asked me why I came out with conclusion only after recent match, I want to making sure of it first, and I think I have enough of assessment from the beginning of season until our last match). When the score are draw and we're struggling, he is barely couldn't create good chances to score, leave alone to found the back of the net suddenly, by his effort alone so far. This is my point, that he is not a 'game changer', 'deadlock breaker' striker or whatever you called it. If after that he then scored, almost sure, it is coming from Fabregas or Hazard or Oscar or Matic brilliant link up of play first, and then send or pass or cross the ball to Costa to finish the job.Well if some of you still couldn't get it or disagree with it, we're agree to disagree then.I completely understand where you are coming from. When he's supplied with the right ball he will score. But out of all the goals he scored so far, none were of his solo effort. It's not a complaint; just noting his style of play is all. I really don't get why some people are so upset... RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yes, a couple of his cards have been wrongly awarded, but you can also argue that he's been lucky to escape bookings more than once and even a sending off ve Sunderland. Certainly the last yellow was not unfair if that is what Jose referring to. It was a dive, there are no two ways about it. Yea, I don't see a problem to be honest. He's right, Costa is learning and most of his yellows aren't actually that hard to understand, if he was an opposing striker I'm sure we'd be saying that sounds about right.I don't think he's going to accumulate as many in the second half of the season. It's okay to be aggressive, but there's margins to what extent.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 When was the last time (before this season) we lost a player for too many bookings in the PL?I can't recall, this season however we start like a house on fire look really good and 3 if our 4 best players convently get suspended due to too many yellows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 When was the last time (before this season) we lost a player for too many bookings in the PL?I can't recall, this season however we start like a house on fire look really good and 3 if our 4 best players convently get suspended due to too many yellows.well if the teams can't stop us, someone has to... it's no coincidence imo, many of the yellows our players received were a joke. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 When was the last time (before this season) we lost a player for too many bookings in the PL?I can't recall, this season however we start like a house on fire look really good and 3 if our 4 best players convently get suspended due to too many yellows.One of the problems imo is that the AMs often appear reluctant to make tactical fouls when the opposition are countering us. I've seen Hazard and Willian make weak challenges or pull out completely quite a few times this season even when we're clearly defensively vulnerable. So instead of bookings being spread around the team, Cesc and Matic are forced to make a much higher proportion of fouls and they're picking up cards a lot faster. dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Gilvorak 3,734 Posted December 15, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted December 15, 2014 He's a killer and a fantastic finisher but look at 6:09 in this video. Quick return pass there and Eden's through on goal. Drogba plays that pass.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivjZakOZnggExactly what I'm talking about when I say his link up play is shit. As I said before his hold up play is excellent but he's terrible at combination football. That's simply something he has to improve on as Cesc, Hazard and Oscar all thrive on 1 touch play.No idea why people are up in arms whenever you criticize Diego btw. Hazard, Cesc, Oscar, Willian etc all receive criticism, Costa shouldn't be exempt from it either. Mustafa, Laugh1ngMan, RoyalBlues and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No idea why people are up in arms whenever you criticize Diego btw. Hazard, Cesc, Oscar, Willian etc all receive criticism, Costa shouldn't be exempt from it either.What you've said is fair criticism, it's one aspect of his game that he definitely needs to improve (one-twos, slipping people in and stuff). It's when the criticism is unfair where I'll disagree. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Apart from some games, our whole attack was positioned bad. Something I think Mou should work on, but just cant. We dont use width, we dont use through balls enough (we have players to do it, but we dont). Our FBs dont get involved in attack enough (except Iva who then goes missing in defense). Its not just Costa that is at fault in our combination football. Its whole attack, but we can improve and we showed it, but just not enough consistent. We are not fast enough and when you compare us to bvb 2012/2013 (i believe this is what Mou wants to achieve), we lack movement, vision and passing skill big time. Too many individual actions or we play so slow that our players get surrounded and defenses positioned. And then Willian/Costa or sbd loses the ball because he tries on his own and there is no movement around him/or they simply lack visio and skill to pass that ball. And how many fucking times did player A run near player B with ball, while A should run in open space, away from B and then recieve the ball. dimmas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 173 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Apart from some games, our whole attack was positioned bad. Something I think Mou should work on, but just cant. We dont use width, we dont use through balls enough (we have players to do it, but we dont). Our FBs dont get involved in attack enough (except Iva who then goes missing in defense).Its not just Costa that is at fault in our combination football. Its whole attack, but we can improve and we showed it, but just not enough consistent. We are not fast enough and when you compare us to bvb 2012/2013 (i believe this is what Mou wants to achieve), we lack movement, vision and passing skill big time. Too many individual actions or we play so slow that our players get surrounded and defenses positioned. And then Willian/Costa or sbd loses the ball because he tries on his own and there is no movement around him/or they simply lack visio and skill to pass that ball.And how many fucking times did player A run near player B with ball, while A should run in open space, away from B and then recieve the ball.Maybe we should try something like:Schurrle - Hazard - Willian ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 People fail to realise that a good link up and hold up play requires technical ability first and foremost amongst other things such as intelligence,tactical awareness and selflessness. Problem is diego isnt a technical striker, he has never been and as such lacks the ability to link up and hold up play effectively. We knew this (well some of us did) before buying him so should have little complaint that he's not what we want him to be. To me he's a taller version of falcao I.e excellent runs and good/great finishing in the box and not much else.I have said this all along and criticised for it when I pointed out that the signing of diego wouldn't solve our creativity issue against lesser teams.If good/great link up play was top of the expectation list from our striker then we should have signed a striker in the mould of aguero,rooney,benzema et al instead RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 He's a killer and a fantastic finisher but look at 6:09 in this video. Quick return pass there and Eden's through on goal. Drogba plays that pass.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivjZakOZngg5:10The importance of handling quickly (when required).Playing that pass first time took out 3 (!) players. Control the ball first, maybe taking an even extra touch, before passing and the space and time for the receiver is gone, something we see quite often. One of the main reasons of the struggles when facing a defensive team.Loved that pass. Gilvorak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I find it funny when people use a couple of highlights to make an assessment. Was no one watching earlier in the season? He made some amazing 1-2s. But just cause they didn't result in a goal, no one bothers remembering them. I wish I had the time to go back and look at all his match highlights, I guarantee I'll find several great link ups and passes. In fact, that's one of the things I explicitly saw that he was pretty good at. Not as good as prime Drogba, but it was not something I would ever note as a weakness. He's just not on form at the moment. Tomo, pHaRaOn and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapkun 668 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I personally think his current drop in form is a mental problem. for the last couple of weeks he was trying so hard to score a goal and failed to, he seemed more bothered about it as each game passed. That's very understandable especially for a striker. and to be fair, the attacking mids are not providing him a great service. the best chances he had mostly came from cesc.obviously that must have worked his mind up and he started being more selfish and less focused. The goal on saturday was very important for his confidence, I'm not sure if people here felt the same or not but as soon as he scored he looked more comfortable and confident in everything. he even tried to link up with Eden afterwards which in the last couple of games he would never have done. Laugh1ngMan and Bir_CFC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Maybe we should try something like:Schurrle - Hazard - Willian ?I think Mou has to allow bit more freedom to our attackers, work on attacking tactics and bring proper RW (or Willian/Schurrle improves soon).Surely Mou is capable of teaching our team to have planned attacks. He is great at setting up counter attacks, but when we play against organised defense, we are bit too slow and players seem to not realy know what to do (for example we never use width, and we rely on individual skill too much). This is where Mou could still make plenty of improvements on our team, but I feel he wants realy solid defense and that decreases our attacking potential. Secondly, our attackers are mostly young and not long together, there will surely be further improvements from them and they will be more consistent, regardless of Mou tactics. dimmas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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