Cesc Fàbregas

[Fulham Broadway 17,305]

Theres no way he could ever have played with Lampard, absolutely no love lost between them. But can see him slotting in nice next to Matic now Franks gone.

Despised the fucker when he was at goonerland, and we gave him no shortage of verbals. But hating players is churlish, and I bet all those fuckwits on message boards that slag off Terry would shake his hand and ask for his autograph if they met him.

Fabregas is a horrible cunt, but hes our horrible cunt.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Peace!!!!

"this page is blessed"

[Footballover 222]

Peace,

I think that you have made a Championship player out of Mata, and I can't agree with everything you wrote. Mata has no dribbling skills? This is absolutely ridiculous! He is an exceptional dribbler and he probably was, at the time, the second best after Hazard in our team.

Apart from that, I remember a quite large amount of very physical games in which Mata excelled and it's just impossible to say that about a player that was just so good playing at the EPL. I do agree with you though that he is not a player that can dictate the pace of the game and he does need too much time and too much free space to act.

Fabregas is different to Mata and I don't really know why Mourinho prefered him, but my guess will be that it was because Fabregas is a much better defensive player, he is more physical and maybe, just maybe, he can control the ball better than Mata with both feet.

IMO, these two criterions that I mentioned before and the fact that he is very very poor defensively, were the main reasons because of which he departed Chelsea. But still, Juan Mata is one of the best playmakers around and there is no need to downgrade him just to make a point. I think he can do great things at Man U. even though he is different than Cesc Fabregas.

[laura90 556]

Peace really made championship player out of Mata and it probably suits his argument that Mata went to Man Utd, club that relies on wingers and has his 300 000 a week attacking midfielder in Rooney and has zero chance to excell there, especially under Van Gaal . Eitherway, that to me that is the most cringeworthy post I have ever read on here.

[dee25 1,044]

If anyone is actually thinking that Fabregas is a better dribbler than Mata, then they're probably going to be very disappointed.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

You guys really amaze me, people forget how good Mata was, only 3 seasons ago we were crying out for his creativity and now all of a sudden because we some hw bought more attacking mid fielders you downgrade Mata's ability SMH, Its a fact Mata is one of the best play makers to ever don a Chelsea kit regardless of what Mourinho loyalists might think and just to show you a glimpse of what you are forgettin I will leave Mata's highlight video. I cant say Oscar can produce such high quality even if he tried to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiL0hMLTaxs

[1chelsea 864]

Am only going to be disappointed with the post that say am going to be disappointed that Fabregas is not a better driller than Mata, Mata pick a good pass have great cross in the box but like peace said Mata can dictate pace of the game which he usually dispatch the pass as soon as he get it. With other point mention as a false 9 a #10 and #8 I feel he improve the team couple with Diego you should watch out

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Yes, Fabregas isn't a better dribbler than Mata, but other than that, I mostly agree with Peace.

I'm not sure why people even compare Mata and Fabregas. They're both Spanish, they're both playmakers, but their similarities pretty much end there. Fabregas's style relies on different skills than Mata's. Fabregas is an outstanding passer. Mata isn't. There are very few playmakers out there that have better passing skills than Fabregas, actually. In that sense, he's a dying breed of playmakers. Current playmakers rely more on dribbling skills than outstanding passing. Fabregas is the opposite. His ability to pick a through pass is pretty much unrivaled. Even when he played at Arsenal, even when I hated the little shit's guts, his passing made go all Whoa, so ridiculous it is.

[Barbara 15,149]

Yes, Fabregas isn't a better dribbler than Mata, but other than that, I mostly agree with Peace.

I'm not sure why people even compare Mata and Fabregas. They're both Spanish, they're both playmakers, but their similarities pretty much end there. Fabregas's style relies on different skills than Mata's. Fabregas is an outstanding passer. Mata isn't. There are very few playmakers out there that have better passing skills than Fabregas. In that sense, he's a dying breed of playmakers. Current playmakers rely more on dribbling skills than outstanding passing. Fabregas is the opposite. His ability to pick a through pass is pretty much unrivaled. Even when he played at Arsenal, even when I hated the little shit's guts, his passing made go all Whoa, so ridiculous it is.

I only disagree slightly Mata isn't a great passer. He has a privileged and blessed vision and he's very intelligent. But yeah, he can't produce some of the passes Fàbregas does as if they were nothing.

And people refuting Peace's post - especially about the physicality - could please elaborate a convincing, factual, reasonable reason that will justify our more than poor results in the EPL while he was here (6th and 3rd - and the third must be taken into context for being 14 points behind the champion) if he was so amazing creating (if we had someone creating as much for us this season, I'm absolutely sure we'd be champions, why we weren't while he was then)? we've had this conversation so many times, but he was a big liability and he will continue to be to whatever English team he plays. He can only excel if he has a free role, and with his freedom comes a huge liability. I'm not taking away from him as a player. He's a great player, not suitable for English football at all. He's weak, slow, easily out-muscled and mostly everything else Peace pointed out. I agree with you guys he dribbles somewhat better than described by Peace, but how many times was he dispossessed while doing it? And leading to counters and even goals? How many times he was dispossessed, period, regardless of what he was attempting? The longest he kept the ball on his feet, the biggest the chance for him to be dispossessed. He worked better for us when he gave a quick pass, a dynamic 2-1 exchange with someone and a lot of his assists came from set-pieces. If he goes back to Spain - nearly the opposite of EPL in terms of style - I'm sure he'll flourish and his weaknesses will be easily overlooked because they won't detract his team much.

[zolayes 14,489]

this signing is one that has excited me the most in the last year ,, At Arsenal Fabregas was fantastic ,, Im hoping he will bring that form to US

[Special Juan 28,104]

Am I right in thinking he arrives at Cobham tomorrow?

[Daniel1980 1,425]

I only disagree slightly Mata isn't a great passer. He has a privileged and blessed vision and he's very intelligent. But yeah, he can't produce some of the passes Fàbregas do as if they were nothing.

Not saying Mata isn't a great passer. He's very good. His passing and vision was better than our other AMs.' But he isn't as good as Fabregas when it comes to passing. But then again, very few playmakers are.

Even Barcelona fans who hated Cesc's guts tended to admit that he was a much more decisive passer than Xaviniesta and that says a lot.

[Footballover 222]

Am I right in thinking he arrives at Cobham tomorrow?

That's right, along with Costa, Filipe Luis and others...

[Ze Mario 638]

The only thing i disagree with Pearce post is about Mata cant pick up passes with his weak foot which is completely wrong. His 1st touch is amazing, world class already. Yeah his left foot is golden but his right foot is pretty good as well (for example, his goal against Australia).

The rest of his post is true, but he just stated the things that Fabregas do better than Mata which is a bit unfair. Yes his dribbling is bit worse than Fab (only a bit) but his holding is pretty good. He knows what to do with the ball under high tense game. He rarely lost the ball while he's holding it, unless he do passing, but even WC playmaker such as Xavi couldnt do a 100% complete pass in 1 game.

And the thing about him couldnt survive in league like EPL and will survive in league like LaLiga is a big, like mountain joke. (sry mam ) Its like people are being hypnotized and forgot how good Mata was in EPL and he EVEN didnt need time to adapt!

He is good, world class already. He is simply not suited to Mourinho style, YES as simple as that. But some people trying their best to get inside Mourinho head and joking themselves.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

The only thing i disagree with Pearce post is about Mata cant pick up passes with his weak foot which is completely wrong. His 1st touch is amazing, world class already. Yeah his left foot is golden but his right foot is pretty good as well (for example, his goal against Australia).

The rest of his post is true, but he just stated the things that Fabregas do better than Mata which is a bit unfair. Yes his dribbling is bit worse than Fab (only a bit) but his holding is pretty good. He knows what to do with the ball under high tense game. He rarely lost the ball while he's holding it, unless he do passing, but even WC playmaker such as Xavi couldnt do a 100% complete pass in 1 game.

And the thing about him couldnt survive in league like EPL and will survive in league like LaLiga is a big, like mountain joke. (sry mam ) Its like people are being hypnotized and forgot how good Mata was in EPL and he EVEN didnt need time to adapt!

He is good, world class already. He is simply not suited to Mourinho style, YES as simple as that. But some people trying their best to get inside Mourinho head and joking themselves.

Agree with you totally, what I hate though is this stupid so called Mourinho style, I think its bullshit that a player of Mata's capabilities could not be accommodated into his palying style