Jype 6,398 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Just one hole(out of 7 atleast) dug in the ground using a machine and apparently thousands are dying in World Cup sites which haven't even started. Great analogy media.That's just so naive I don't even know where to begin. Surely you must be aware that building the stadia is actually a very small part of the bigger picture. Because of the World Cup there is a plan to spend over $100 billion between now and 2022 on all kinds of infrastructure projects to get the country ready to host the tournament so in reality the venues amount to less than 10% of the total works. Like you said the works on the stadia has hardly begun but ever since the WC was awarded to your country they have kept themselves busy with all the side projects and I think it's more than fair to include them in the "World Cup death toll". Too many people have already lost their lives and countless more will continue to do so in the next 8 years if they allow this nonsense to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't know what you're trying to imply, but the stadiums are mostly built in one city, and two more. One is being constructed, the other is already here, and the third one's Doha( the one were most stadiums are going to be and the hotels too). Three of them are less than 45 minutes apart.The population of your country and it's footballing history in no way justifies the granting of the world cup ..You have bought other sports but the World Cup is too big to be bought in this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 That's just so naive I don't even know where to begin. Surely you must be aware that building the stadia is actually a very small part of the bigger picture. Because of the World Cup there is a plan to spend over $100 billion between now and 2022 on all kinds of infrastructure projects to get the country ready to host the tournament so in reality the venues amount to less than 10% of the total works. Like you said the works on the stadia has hardly begun but ever since the WC was awarded to your country they have kept themselves busy with all the side projects and I think it's more than fair to include them in the "World Cup death toll". Too many people have already lost their lives and countless more will continue to do so in the next 8 years if they allow this nonsense to continue.[/quoteSites don't just mean stadia. The budget was just decided a week ago. The government here is playing it out like they don't give a fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The crow is on the washing line here…..he either flies or falls……which way will this thread go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 The population of your country and it's footballing history in no way justifies the granting of the world cup ..You have bought other sports but the World Cup is too big to be bought in this wayFar from my country once again. My country loves cricket. The point of football is reaching out to everyone . It's not the playtoy for bully countries . Outrageous that a World Cup shouldn't be awarded to a country because it has no footballing history. Bought , bribed yet zero proof apart from the Sunday mail talking about emails that they refused to share screenshots of with the QFA . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Far from my country once again. My country loves cricket.The point of football is reaching out to everyone . It's not the playtoy for bully countries . Outrageous that a World Cup shouldn't be awarded to a country because it has no footballing history.Bought , bribed yet zero proof apart from the Sunday mail talking about emails that they refused to share screenshots of with the QFA .emotive words again "playtoy for bully countries" Lets just give it to those nice people with loads of oil and money .And when the W C is over they will give the stadium to the African Nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjperdeath 2,226 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 emotive words again "playtoy for bully countries" Lets just give it to those nice people with loads of oil and money .And when the W C is over they will give the stadium to the African NationsTo the people who are working hard for it and want to achieve a dream even when others are trying to push them out with hatred and jealousy. If you had gone through the bid policies , you would know what the stadiums are going to be used for . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Look everyone knows FIFA is corrupt...It's what they do with that level of corruption... The thing is, like all Governing Bodies, they've believed their own bullshit, thought they could do anything and have now been caught with their pants round their ankles whilst Mrs Qatar is busy pleasing them... Metaphorically speaking...A 'smart' man - would have followed the tried ad trusted (Bill Clinton) way out of this. Deny full scale backhanders, concede some 'low level' corruption could have occurred, slaughter a few sacrificial members in public, promise it will never happen again, go away and donate to charity and move on...However, Sepp Blatter is not smart... And with ridiculous comments like this, attempting to play national identity and pride off against people that know he is corrupt - will not end well for him...There's a great saying - 'give them just enough rope, and they will hang themselves' - well Sepp, you have the rope, now - please, do us all a favour and use it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I don't quite get this whole British/American conspiracy thing. Half the stadiums look like they're going to be designed by British or American architects for starters, and now it's big multinational corporations backing investigations into the bidding process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Bottom line - a few greedy FIFA multimillionaires have been bunged a few more million by a few greedy billionaires, both with blood on their hands, to stage the international version of the beautiful game. Sometimes I wish England could uninvent football... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Bottom line - a few greedy FIFA multimillionaires have been bunged a few more million by a few greedy billionaires, both with blood on their hands, to stage the international version of the beautiful game.Sometimes I wish England could uninvent football...We did and called it Rugby then the Aussies and All Blacks took it over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 We did and called it Rugby then the Aussies and All Blacks took it overSome toffs picked up the ball and ran, thus a middle class sport was borne. Hoofuckingray.Football, the working class game, invented in England. Anyway back on topic...Blatter said it would all be cleared up at the end of this week. Now with the Sunday Times having another six pages of evidence of corruption, and (what they are really scared of - sponsors getting jittery, he has said it will be cleared up by October. Expect heads to roll, and a whitewash to follow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 It does not really matter what Blatter says and if his claims are justified in that special case. He is a corrupted scumbag who has lost it completely. The whole FIFA is corrupted to the core and the 2018 (probably) and the 2022 WCs have been bought. Slowly but surely that corruption in football will carry off the sport if the people do not cut off the cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Some toffs picked up the ball and ran, thus a middle class sport was borne. Hoofuckingray.Football, the working class game, invented in England. Anyway back on topic...Blatter said it would all be cleared up at the end of this week. Now with the Sunday Times having another six pages of evidence of corruption, and (what they are really scared of - sponsors getting jittery, he has said it will be cleared up by October. Expect heads to roll, and a whitewash to follow....You really need to study History .. Football was played in the "toffs " schools ,, and by the VERY posh Corinthian Casuals .The real working class game was Rugby League ,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 You really need to study History .. Football was played in the "toffs " schools ,, and by the VERY posh Corinthian Casuals .The real working class game was Rugby League ,, Sure? I am pretty sure, Rugby League only became the working class game when Rugby was divided into Union (for the upper middle class and above) and League. Before, Rugby was played in the - also posh- grammar schools whilst football, which everyone could play with just a ball and no deeper knowledge of the rules was played predominantly by factory workers and their children. Even though you are right, the origins of football are very posh, but quickly it became the working class's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 ....quote name="zolayes" post="920005" timestamp="1402356014"]You really need to study History .. Football was played in the "toffs " schools ,, and by the VERY posh Corinthian Casuals .The real working class game was Rugby League ,,You really need to study History .. Football was played in the "toffs " schools ,, and by the VERY posh Corinthian Casuals .The real working class game was Rugby League ,,Football was played between one village/town and another way before it was legislated and codified at public schools. The schools also started to wank about with egg chasing, rugby so beloved of the middle classes, then, as Magic Lamps says, it spawned the rugby league derivative.Perhaps you need to learn history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,312 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Adidas Visa and Sony now 'disgusted' by the bribery -thats three of the six big sponsors. If they pull out that will worry FIFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Adidas Visa and Sony now 'disgusted' by the bribery -thats three of the six big sponsors. If they pull out that will worry FIFA.Multinationals care about human rights? Maybe they want to sponsor the subsequent inquiry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Adidas Visa and Sony now 'disgusted' by the bribery -thats three of the six big sponsors. If they pull out that will worry FIFA.Sony have a 6 page Anti-Bribery policy! The Japanese really don't like this stuff... They operate on a Meritocratic position - best option wins... Sponsors do have power - if they pull out, it could get very bad, very quickly for FIFA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Multinationals care about human rights? Maybe they want to sponsor the subsequent inquiry I know it sounds hard to believe, and of course I will defend them, but Sony really do. They have tons of regulations around it and I'm constantly bombarded with training videos and newsletters etc.Ethical business is tougher than non-ethical - I do admire Sonys stance, but it is tough if the competition don't want to play via the same rules... E.g. Royalties, we always pay them up-front, some competitors never pay them... Makes a big difference to the bottom line...Hopefully, one day it will pay off and the shareholders remain calm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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