Are we witnessing the permanent downfall of Manchester United as THE top club?

[Fernando 6,477]

United aren't building for the future, nor are they in a transition period. They don't have an identifiable footballing identity (80 crosses one week, trying to play through the middle with Mata and Kagawa the next), they don't have a cohesive transfer policy and they're even falling behind in the youth development side.

Do you know what else used to be valuable? Myspace. But that bubble burst too.

United has more value then Liverpool.

It took them a couple of season to get back so too United.

But if they keep up with moyes it might take longer.

[The only place to be 11,313]

United has more value then Liverpool.

It took them a couple of season to get back so too United.

But if they keep up with moyes it might take longer.

Liverpool haven't won a title for over twenty years and have been relevant to the title race about as many times as Blackburn Rovers in that time. United's value is no guarantee of anything if they're going to spend £27 million on the likes of Fellaini.

[Fernando 6,477]

Liverpool haven't won a title for over twenty years and have been relevant to the title race about as many times as Blackburn Rovers in that time. United's value is no guarantee of anything if they're going to spend £27 million on the likes of Fellaini.

Well they have the same problem as city a years back.

Mark spending a shit load on worthless talent.

Or like Kenny at Liverpool.

A good management also makes some differences if you give him all the power.

[Fulham Broadway 16,894]

Mmm..... amidst rumours that Man Utd are going to be bought out by Beckham, the class of'92 and the Qatari "royal" family, the share price has shot up.

Probably bollocks- seeing as Beckhams just bought an MLS franchise, but you never know.

You heard it here first kids...

[didierforever 7,349]

Damn these guys need an overhaul. Evra, vidic, rio, giggs all gone. Need a left back or 2. Need a center back. Need a DM as carrick has been abysmal. Need a CM to play alongside carrick as fellain, anderson and cleverly are shit. Need at least 1/2 wingers. Plus Need to revamp their tactics as mata on the wings is a joke. They will take some years to challenge for the titke even if u give moyes the benefit of doubt and expect hin to have a decent season next year. Atleast a season where we don't have to see cleverly on the wing against city. That was just LOL.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

I'm looking forward to the plane going over Old Trafford on Saturday with Moyes Out on it

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

Mmm..... amidst rumours that Man Utd are going to be bought out by Beckham, the class of'92 and the Qatari "royal" family, the share price has shot up.

Probably bollocks- seeing as Beckhams just bought an MLS franchise, but you never know.

You heard it here first kids...

Ryan Giggs, Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and Phil Neville agree a deal to purchase non-league Salford City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26775674

I can see how they can get Salford and Manchester United confused. Brilliant stuff.

"Beckham, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Phil Neville and Nicky Butt are said to be in detailed talks to become the frontmen of a multi-billion consortium hoping to buy a 90 per cent stake in the club from Americans Joel and Avram Glazer, who purchased Manchester United in 2005."

[Shane 2,275]

David Moyes is ruining Man United and I am loving it.

He offers nothing. His team play dire football to a dire standard and constantly get played off the park at home and away. Liverpool passed it around them a few weeks ago. It was a training session for them. City dismantled them 3-0 without having to get out of second gear, as did we when we beat them 3-1.

People say that they will attract top players, Who in the right mind would want to go there? With the rise of Us and City, along with Liverpool and Arsenal they might not get into the Champions League for a long time. If Everton sneak it, they could get the fiances to really put down a marker for years to come.

United have money to spend? We'll they've already spent £27.5m on Fellani, and another £37.5m on Mata, how much is left? Would you trust Moyes with money?

Don't think they'll be dining at Europe's top table any time soon to be honest, Think Liverpool could be here for the long haul.

[Eligius 121]

According to the guardian, they have 2 deals already in place this summer...

Maybe Coentrao, coleman, baines, or osman....

Hopefully, its not Gundogan, Kroos, shaqiri or Reus.

[didierforever 7,349]

According to the guardian, they have 2 deals already in place this summer...

Maybe Coentrao, coleman, baines, or osman....

Hopefully, its not Gundogan, Kroos, shaqiri or Reus.

One is probably carvalho.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

According to the guardian, they have 2 deals already in place this summer...

Maybe Coentrao, coleman, baines, or osman....

Hopefully, its not Gundogan, Kroos, shaqiri or Reus.

Can't see it being any Everton players as they're currently fighting for 4th spot, it wouldn't make any sense.

The logical ones would be Carvalho and Kroos.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

They are flying a plane over with 'Moyes out' on it at the Villa game. Not even we went that far with Rafa. Can't they sing? Or can they only communicate via banners?

[didierforever 7,349]

They are flying a plane over with 'Moyes out' on it at the Villa game. Not even we went that far with Rafa. Can't they sing? Or can they only communicate via banners?

After all their, "we stick with our manager" talk, they are now doing this at the first sight of trouble. Sick.

[Mr_President 404]

To be fair, the banner isn't particularly popular with most Utd fans. The idea was started and paid for by a small group from 'Red Issue', I believe. They didn't just decide 'let's fly a banner because we've had enough of Moyes', but - if the story is to be believed - a small group of hard-core Utd fans have reacted badly to Streford End Flags' refusal to remove that gift that never stops giving 'The Chosen One' banner. This is their genius plan to show Moyes (and, ultimately the Utd board) that Moyes does not have 100% of the backing of Utd fans, despite what the media report (and the media report this because the fans in the stadium refuse to boo Moyes or show any visible signs of protest).

Either way it's hilarious, I just hope they don't sack him yet..

[Billy. 2,742]

for them to get back into the top 4 they need to sign big players but they are going to need to pay massive rooney type wages to get them to go to a non CL team.

[Fernando 6,477]

that Sir Cunt ,,, set up the Ginger twat as a fall guy ,, IF I had any sympathy it would be for Moyes ... I dont just have even less respect for SAF than

ever

Mourinho and neither myself agrees with you.

Jose Mourinho: Says Sir Alex Ferguson is not to blame for United struggles

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9237731/chelsea-boss-jose-mourinho-says-sir-alex-ferguson-is-not-to-blame-for-man-united-slump

[Reddish-Blue 2,349]

Mourinho and neither myself agrees with you.

Jose Mourinho: Says Sir Alex Ferguson is not to blame for United struggles

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9237731/chelsea-boss-jose-mourinho-says-sir-alex-ferguson-is-not-to-blame-for-man-united-slump

You're missing the point.

People are blaming Ferguson because he left a group of average players (except Rooney, RvP) for the new manager.

United won the title last season because everyone else was shit...and Fergie got the best out of his players.

It was always going to be a difficult task succeeding Ferguson...and the most puzzling thing is that Fergie chose Moyes, who is NOT a winner to take charge of a massive club.

I feel bad for Moyes because United is a step too far for him. At United, you need someone that wins titles, someone that immediately commands respect (e.g. Mourinho, Hiddink, Ancelotti, Guardiola etc)