King Kante 1,643 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. 0007 and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, King Kante said: I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. If you judge player solely on their weaknesses, you won't be able to sign anybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blu35_army 551 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 7 hours ago, King Kante said: I am actually coming to the conclusion we need two CB's and not one. No matter what combination we put together at CB we are always poor. AC - Super weak for a CB - makes stupid mistakes - seriously lacks confidence Zouma - Zero positional awareness - really poor on the ball under any pressure - lacks concentration Rudiger - Rash - Poor reading of the game - not actually that great in the air Tomori - Lacks concentration - overplay's in dangerous positions - gets caught ball watching Personally, I'd keep Tomori as the CB4 but the other 3 I am really not that fussed about any more. That said, having Kepa as your GK cannot help. i'll keep Rudiger and Tomori as a backup,,AC and Zouma already in PL more than 4 years but still no significant improvement.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 10 hours ago, communicate said: If you judge player solely on their weaknesses, you won't be able to sign anybody Problem is we haven't seen any real improvement in any of them. Tomori, I am happy to keep and give time to, Rudiger is also good enough for CB3 but he isn't really showing enough to be a top CB at elite level. As for Zouma and AC, I think we have seen enough to say they aren't good enough. AC for me is the most frustrating as he has very good positional sense and can read the game well, however he is so weak it is starting to become seriously frustrating. As for Zouma I say it is time to cash in 100% as we can still get a decent fee for him atm but he hasn't shown any real improvement since he first broke in during 2015/16 so it doesn't look like he will now. For me, if you keep Zouma now we will quickly find ourselves in a Batsh*t situation where you think to yourself 'could've had £35/£40m for this bloke 1-2 years ago, now we will be lucky to get £15m'. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, King Kante said: Problem is we haven't seen any real improvement in any of them. Tomori, I am happy to keep and give time to, Rudiger is also good enough for CB3 but he isn't really showing enough to be a top CB at elite level. As for Zouma and AC, I think we have seen enough to say they aren't good enough. AC for me is the most frustrating as he has very good positional sense and can read the game well, however he is so weak it is starting to become seriously frustrating. As for Zouma I say it is time to cash in 100% as we can still get a decent fee for him atm but he hasn't shown any real improvement since he first broke in during 2015/16 so it doesn't look like he will now. For me, if you keep Zouma now we will quickly find ourselves in a Batsh*t situation where you think to yourself 'could've had £35/£40m for this bloke 1-2 years ago, now we will be lucky to get £15m'. It is easy to say sell, but who is available. How much will he cost. Is he better than Zouma? It is very2 difficult to find a wc CB in reasonable price. United spend 80m on Maguire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, communicate said: It is easy to say sell, but who is available. How much will he cost. Is he better than Zouma? It is very2 difficult to find a wc CB in reasonable price. United spend 80m on Maguire. CB is a very difficult position. However, there are some options out there. For instance, I would be more than happy to take a Vertonghen for two years on a free as I think he would be an improvement on either Zouma and AC. So there are options out there to improve, even if they are not necessarily world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 8 hours ago, King Kante said: CB is a very difficult position. However, there are some options out there. For instance, I would be more than happy to take a Vertonghen for two years on a free as I think he would be an improvement on either Zouma and AC. So there are options out there to improve, even if they are not necessarily world class. Verthongen?? We are struggling against aerial threat long ball and set pieces, why bring Verthongen who is not exactly aerially dominant. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Three clean sheets in a row with Zouma-Rudiger pairing. Liverpool, Everton, Leicester. Actually in the last 13 games we kept clean sheet just 3 times. And they played together only these 3 games. I know Chris is better on the ball but when CBs keep us clean sheets there is not more we can ask. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 I just hope Lamps realises that he is our only good defender Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 He won 85% of his aerial duels Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk kellzfresh and Puliiszola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 This was the perfect opponent for Kurt. When he can keep his game simple and everything is played up to him in the air he dominates. It's when he's up against teams that press and there are pacey forwards buzzing around him that he struggles because he isn't great in the ball. killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 So bringing your most physical and aerially dominant player help against set pieces kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,178 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 On 02/07/2020 at 0:43 AM, killer1257 said: I just hope Lamps realises that he is our only good defender Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk he is only good for certain types of games too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's it is a huge problem overall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Vesper said: he is only good for certain types of games too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's it is a huge problem overall Is not that what squads are. To have players with different strengths that can cover each other's weaknesses. kellzfresh, Johnnyeye and killer1257 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 he is only good for certain types of games too limited to not cash in on for a more constrained (play wise) team IF a decent offer comes along I do not really rate any of our 6 top CB's it is a huge problem overall I would rather sell Rüdiger or ACGesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 He was one of our best players yesterday. Totally dominated Deeney. We should play him against every team that uses a big physical striker like Antonio, Deeney and Benteke etc. He's our best pure defender (1 on 1 and aerially) killer1257 and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Zouma is clearly the most dominant cb physically we have at the club but he seems to always get bamboozled against better opponents. Especially united. Let's take the semi final as an example for which cb to play. In open play, Rudiger will probably make less mistakes and will pass out better. From set pieces zouma is clearly more agreesive in the air. No other cb compares. Its a sign of our weaknesses that we will have to chop and change defenders based on whether the opponent are fast and direct or physical bullies. The top teams have a pairing that can contend with both types. Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Has to play vs Palace. Their strikers, Benteke and Wickham are exactly the kind of challenge he relishes.Especially Benteke has the exact same height and build as Kurt with those huge legs, wide and strong core but relatively light arm/shoulder region which gives them more agility when they have to move the upper body for challenges in the air and keeping balance after a change of direction. One reason why Cahill always looks so suspect when people run towards him is that he is the antithesis to Zouma with weaker core and legs and lots of needless muscle mass on his upper body which makes him top heavy and clumsy on the turn. lucio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Puliiszola and killer1257 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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