Severinb 309 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Southampton do have a young left-back called Matt Targett who is fairly well-regarded by Saints fans I know. Be harsh on Bertrand if he loses minutes to this kid.If we sell ryan to them IF he has a good season we should try and get young matt in the deal. 5mil £ and matt would be a good deal! The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 If we sell ryan to them IF he has a good season we should try and get young matt in the deal. 5mil £ and matt would be a good deal!No thanks. We have Nathan Ake who looks a very promising LB. Would rather we develop him and keep him around than go and buy other young talents. I reckon with the right development, Ake could develop into a quality LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Great interview with Ryan in the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/29/ryan-bertrand-chelsea-southampton-champions-league ja1 and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 can't find the words to express fully how much I want him to do well/ of our own young players he is there with Mancienne ,, Cork and Hutchinson that I want to have wonderful careers blueblood22, Sidzeret, Clevemayer and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Grabbed an assist today .. Hopefully he can stick at Southampton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Chels 48 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 scored his first ever Premier League goal v QPR. Eidur the Spider, bluesman2610 and zolayes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Anybody watching him more closely. Can't he be in here next year? Instead of giving money for another left back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Anybody watching him more closely. Can't he be in here next year? Instead of giving money for another left back?I don't think he wants to return and rightly so. He's 24 already and has every right to want to be in a team where he's the nailed on starter. iseah100 and Myself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I see Ryan as an attacking fullback which would already rule him out with Jose. Quite frankly though he just isn't good enough to start for a top club. He's a good player with loads of pace, but just not at the level required. Being 24 kinda nails it too - should sell him so he can make a career elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I see Ryan as an attacking fullback which would already rule him out with Jose.Quite frankly though he just isn't good enough to start for a top club. He's a good player with loads of pace, but just not at the level required. Being 24 kinda nails it too - should sell him so he can make a career elsewhere.Weird. When he was here the consensus was that he wouldn't be able to make it here because he's not good enough offensively. Apart from one match against Shakhtar when RDM left him isolated against Srna and whoever their right winger was, he has never not looked solid from a defensive point of view. Jase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneChan95 225 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Weird. When he was here the consensus was that he wouldn't be able to make it here because he's not good enough offensively. Apart from one match against Shakhtar when RDM left him isolated against Srna and whoever their right winger was, he has never not looked solid from a defensive point of view. Got to agree. I remember when Cole was injured for periods under Rafa and Bertrand did very well defensively. In fact I don't think we missed Cole at all when he was out. I doubt he can reach prime Cole-level LB but I think he can be a very decent choice. However, it seems that Mourinho doesn't rate him so I think it's best that he goes elsewhere for his own career. CHOULO19, Madmax and Jase 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I see Ryan as an attacking fullback which would already rule him out with Jose.Quite frankly though he just isn't good enough to start for a top club. He's a good player with loads of pace, but just not at the level required. Being 24 kinda nails it too - should sell him so he can make a career elsewhere.I would really like it if those that said Bertrand doesn't have the quality or is not the required level to play for us, can actually pin-point exactly why he can't play for us at all (taking out the factor whether Mourinho fancies him or not) and expand on it. Seen too often people throw that around without explaining in detail and just because he isn't some fanciful left-back. Attacking wise he's decent and like Choo Choo said above, Bertrand has never looked out of place defensively when playing for us apart from the Shakhtar game where he was left to defend that left flank all by himself. Madmax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Weird. When he was here the consensus was that he wouldn't be able to make it here because he's not good enough offensively. Apart from one match against Shakhtar when RDM left him isolated against Srna and whoever their right winger was, he has never not looked solid from a defensive point of view. If I remember correctly, Ryan has been employed a lot more times as a left winger than left-back for us.I would really like it if those that said Bertrand doesn't have the quality or is not the required level to play for us, can actually pin-point exactly why he can't play for us at all (taking out the factor whether Mourinho fancies him or not) and expand on it. Seen too often people throw that around without explaining in detail and just because he isn't some fanciful left-back. Attacking wise he's decent and like Choo Choo said above, Bertrand has never looked out of place defensively when playing for us apart from the Shakhtar game where he was left to defend that left flank all by himself.He can't defend to save his life; has poor overall technique, showcased by his average passing. His crossing wasn't that great, which is just another consequence of his poor technique.When a player is not good enough it almost always comes down to technique. Pace, power, can give the player an edge, but can't possibly be enough at this level.Once again, IMO he is a fine player for Southampton, but he will never be a starter for chelsea unless he massively improves his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 To be honest I'm still surprised we didn't keep him here. Sure perhaps he wanted to be a guaranteed starter but hes English, still youngish and would have been decent for us if we got an injury at fullback. Nathan Ake looks like hes going to be used more as a left sided fullback than a center halve but still I reckon he could have done with a loan this year to keep improving as a player. zolayes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 If I remember correctly, Ryan has been employed a lot more times as a left winger than left-back for us.Incorrect. He a few games as left winger for us under RDM, almost all of which were as a sub from the bench, but he played A LOT more matches as a left back. The number of matches are not even comparable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He can't defend to save his life; has poor overall technique, showcased by his average passing. His crossing wasn't that great, which is just another consequence of his poor technique.I'm sorry but can't defend to save his life? Please then give examples, other than the Shakhtar game, of games in which he struggled really badly defensively and/or we conceded goals because of him.Average passing? Compared to the other full backs we have, I don't see them possessing a more spectacular passing range than Bertrand and I don't quite recall the latter of giving the ball away oftenly because of 'average passing'.Crossing wasn't that great? Wasn't that great means it's good at least, no? If you say that of Bertrand, then I wonder what do you think of Ivanovic or even Azpilicueta's crossing. The former, in general, is arguably the worst of the lot with his crossing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He's a brilliant player in my opinion. As good as Gibbs, Shaw & Baines, possibly even better than all 3 but he's clearly never going to get a chance at the club. Hopefully we can get at least £10-15m for him next summer. Myself, zolayes and Amblève. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He's a brilliant player in my opinion. As good as Gibbs, Shaw & Baines, possibly even better than all 3 but he's clearly never going to get a chance at the club. Hopefully we can get at least £10-15m for him next summer.watching Gibbs yesterday I thought how much Ryan is ,I was always amused by the experts who thought Baines was as good as Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Ryan Bertrand blasts Chelsea after being shipped out on loan nine times to seven different clubshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2773506/Ryan-Bertrand-blasts-Chelsea-shipped-loan-nine-times.html iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 The key question you need to ask yourself is Cole declined in 2010, since Ryan got brought into the squad he played under 5 Chelsea manager's and not one thought he was enough to replace an ageing past his prime Ash.If Ash was up against a younger version of himself in his prime or even a Coentrao level player, he would have been fucked. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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