The Ancelotti Thread

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Off to replace Guardiola at Bayern

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11890/10105921/bayern-munich-confirm-carlo-ancelotti-will-replace-pep-guardiola

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

“They appoint me for being calm. Then they sack me and say ‘too calm’.” 

[Fulham Broadway 17,312]

From his book. Astonishing, God knows what else is in there.

 

Chelsea initially courted me during two meetings in May 2008, in Geneva and Paris. The manager’s position was soon to become vacant, as José Mourinho’s replacement, Avram Grant, was due to be replaced himself. The need for the meetings to be clandestine affairs meant that this courtship took on a slightly comical turn, not least because the notion that any meetings between two people such as Roman Abramovich and me could be kept secret was immediately undermined within a couple of hours of the Paris meeting, when Adriano Galliani called me to ask how it had gone. I lost out on the job that time because the owner chose Luiz Felipe Scolari before me, supposedly because of my poor English.

Scolari proved to be not so effective for Chelsea and was sacked in early 2009. Guus Hiddink was hired as an emergency replacement until the end of the season and so suddenly I was back in the equation. The whole interview process was repeated, with further “secret” meetings with Abramovich and his staff. In February 2009 Chelsea’s director of football operations, Mike Forde, spent a series of meetings over a six-week period with me and my assistant, Bruno Demichelis. Unusually, for me, these discussions covered such issues as Chelsea’s vision, the club’s operating model, key strategic objectives, the use of data, performance modelling, managing the big players and the conditions I believed I needed to be successful at Chelsea. Mike questioned me in great depth about all these matters and more.

This courtship was very intense and unlike any I’d experienced with other clubs. In March I agreed to join, beginning my duties in June, and, after I signed, Mike gave me a great deal of help to understand the staff structure, the special features of the Premier League, Chelsea’s recruitment policy and the expectations of the owner — though these had already been made very clear to me. I was taken to Holland, with Bruno, for an intense week-long course in English, solid days from eight in the morning until eight in the evening. If the language had been an issue the last time, I was determined that it would not be so this time; I like to be known as a good student so I studied hard. Soon after I started my duties, I held my first press conference at Chelsea and spoke English in front of over 200 journalists. I was nervous, of course, but very pleased.

The dressing room at Chelsea had many strong characters and I’m sure my own career success helped me at the beginning. When you join a club after winning two Champions Leagues, you tend to command a lot of respect from the players — but only at the beginning. This honeymoon period with the players never lasts long because immediately after that, they are looking at you and asking, “What can this guy do for me?”

I didn’t change the style of the training. The players felt comfortable with it as it was, so it seemed right to keep it. We did change the style of the play, though, and that helped in a different way because the players had to concentrate and learn, which always motivates the best of them. Of course, just as I would see later with Real Madrid, we had to change the way we played because the owner wanted something different about the style. On one of the first occasions I met Abramovich he told me, “I want to find a manager that gives my team an identity, because when I watch Chelsea I’m not able to find an identity. When I see Barcelona or Manchester United, I find an identity in the team — when I watch Chelsea I cannot find an identity.” So we changed the style of play — we played with more possession. What better way to control possession than with a player like Milan’s Andrea Pirlo? We tried to sign him, but it was not possible, so in the beginning I played with Michael Essien in this position, who adapted and became one of the best in that position.

The beginning of my time at Chelsea was glorious. I took charge of the team for a pre-season tour to the US and we won every game. My ideas, thoughts and approach seemed to be well received by the players. We started the season proper very well, with the team winning 14 of the first 16 games in all competitions. However, even then there were signs that the relationship with the owner might be difficult. During that great run of games, we lost 3–1 to Wigan. It was just a blip, to my mind, something that happens in football, but Abramovich came to the training ground the next morning to demand answers. I tried to listen and not respond impulsively, but maybe I should have had some answers ready for him and been more prepared. I should have recognised this as my first red flag. It was a new type of relationship for me with an owner — even Berlusconi had not been so demanding.

When December came around we were in the top two in the Premier League and had won our Champions League group. We then drew Inter Milan — and, of course, José Mourinho — in the last 16 of the Champions League and the pressure and expectation began immediately, even though the games were over two months away. We started 2010 playing strongly in the FA Cup, but in February two thunderbolts hit me that would seriously affect my relationship with Abramovich. First, we were beaten 4–2 at home by Manchester City, which was bad because we were outfought and tactically outthought. He called a 9am meeting the next day to ask what had happened. Abramovich is never happy with these “thunderbolt” defeats — defeats that he believes should not happen to Chelsea. The second, and worse, thunderbolt was our away defeat to Inter in the first leg of our Champions League tie.

When we lost to Inter again in the second leg, 1–0 at home, I was challenged publicly by the media for the first time. The honeymoon period was well and truly over. The next day Abramovich addressed the group, demanding answers. This was another episode which taught me how to deal with this different kind of president; again, I chose not to meet aggression with aggression, it is not my way. I like to think through difficult times, address the problems coolly and with reason. When Mourinho’s Inter went on to win the competition — an ambition he was not able to fulfil when he was at Chelsea — it was not good for me. Perhaps this was the beginning of the end, a big red flag.

We were out of the Champions League but I challenged the players to achieve a new goal — to win the League and FA Cup double for the first time in Chelsea’s history. I put up a chart that signposted our way to the achievement, telling them that in the twentieth century only four teams had won the double, and in the 21st century only one, and that we would be the first for eight years, since Arsenal in 2002. This became our new mission.

This is where building strong relationships comes into play. The players knew that the owner was on my case and they felt that they had let me down. They began playing for me; they felt that they owed me and they responded brilliantly.

We went on to win a lot of games, many of them by big margins — we scored a lot of goals — and, on the last day of the season, we beat Wigan 8–0 to win the League. A week later we won the FA Cup final against Portsmouth to complete the double. Unusually, I was not offered an extension to my three-year contract after the final. In fact, it was not even discussed. All of which suggested another red flag to me.

There were more worrying signs to come. There were no major new players brought in over the summer and several of the older players, such as Michael Ballack, were not offered new contracts. I was asked to promote five young academy graduate players into the 25-man squad, which I did. We won the first game of the new season 6–0, but I was still summoned to Abramovich’s house that night to receive a “dressing down”, as they say in England, for the performance. Another red flag — and only one game into the season.

We continued the strong start and we were top until we had a bad November. We lost to Liverpool, 2–0, and my assistant Ray Wilkins was fired days later. Another lesson learnt. I could have fought harder, but I knew that it was a done deal. Michael Emenalo, the club’s head of opposition scouting, was made assistant manager and I had to introduce him to the squad. The English players in particular were not happy with the way things had been done.

I was surprised when the club changed Wilkins. It was not discussed with me first. In my first year at the club Ray was, of course, important because of the language — he spoke Italian — and he was a good reference for the players. In my second year in the job, although I certainly didn’t want to, I could do without him. The club had made the decision — Ray was already gone. When Abramovich decided to make Emenalo the assistant manager — my assistant — I told the club that I didn’t need another assistant. I already had Paul Clement and Bruno Demichelis, and between us we had everything covered.

I didn’t have any personal problem with Emenalo, but he was not comfortable in his new role. He was not used to being an assistant manager — his experience was in scouting — but the club put him there anyway. He was certainly not comfortable in front of the players, because they knew him from his time in a certain role, not in his new position.

In January the club made two marquee signings — Fernando Torres from Liverpool and David Luiz from Benfica — which lifted spirits, but not for long. Sadly, Torres was not at his best after a period of injury at Liverpool. In April we played Manchester United in the Champions League quarter-finals, with the feeling that we would have to win to save our season. The night before the second leg, Abramovich addressed the players, telling them they had to win or there would be huge changes to the team. He told me individually that if we lost then I was not to bother coming back to work. I wasn’t sure if he was serious. We lost and I did go back to work, though I felt like a dead man walking. Again, I suppose I could have confronted the owner, but it seemed pointless.

We lost, 1–0 away at Everton, on the last day of the season. I’m told that the CEO was driving away from the stadium when he got the call to say, “Turn around and tell Carlo he is fired.” I think the logic was that there was no point in waiting and telling me later. At least this way I could say goodbye to the players and staff before the off season. That night, when the team arrived back in London, the senior players — Didier Drogba, John Terry, Frank Lampard and the others — took me out for dinner and a few drinks. I had never known that before in my career. I think I was liked.

The relationship with the owner, however, was not so good. To break a relationship there are little details that all add up. There was the sacking and replacing of Ray Wilkins, and Abramovich also started to say that I had a preference for certain players; perhaps he was buying into the rumours about my favouritism. I told him that it wasn’t true — I made it clear. It is important that presidents and coaches can be open with each other.

Maybe the favouritism thing was an excuse for Abramovich. I believe his main reason for letting me go was that he thought the management of the squad was not right. He thought that I was too kind in front of the players and he grew sure that it was causing something to go wrong within the group. He would try to convince me, with all my experience to the contrary, to be stronger, tougher and more rigorous with the players.

I’d heard it before and I’ve heard it since, but he was wrong — they are all wrong. I don’t change my character.

What they hire me for is my ability to calm the situation at a club by building relationships with the players, which is one of my biggest strengths. At some later stage that is not the approach they want any more and the relationship with the owners — not the players, but the owners — begins to worsen. They hire me to be kind and calm with the players and then at the first sign of trouble along the way that’s the very characteristic they point to as the problem. I know that if I am winning then it is because I am calm; equally, if I am losing it is because I am calm. How can it be both? It’s a paradox, but I was trapped by it at Chelsea.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

^^Wow, what a lot of interesting stuff in there.

[Blue Armour 4,439]

2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

^^Wow, what a lot of interesting stuff in there.

Haha, even that's an understatement

[Blue Armour 4,439]

I guess that settles the argument about whether the owner prefers a style of football or whether he prefers results.

Seem's like he's hell-bent on both, although I think he's eased up a bit regarding the latter in recent times.

This season has been an eye-opener to say the least.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Carletto  Love and respect the man, he is a very, very good manager, especially in cup games, albeit not great. The mistake here from Chelsea was not sacking him, gesture, anyway done in the most embarrassing and disrespectful of ways, but to hire him in the first place.
His calmness as he defines it, is indeed a double edged sword; a great motivator, at least to my very limited experience, knows when to shout, insult and spur his players and when being, just as he is, calm and relaxed.
I particularly remember that when the news of him being appointed as Chelsea's manager spread, my mate, a Milan's fan, sad and I quote "Chelsea is screwed." It was a bit of a surprise for him when we won the double in his first year, but, eventually he was proven right; even though that was not entirely to blame on Carlo, as exposed above.
Very revealing piece of read, my dislike towards Mr Abramovich grows ever so large. Yes, yes he has brought money, but to be his personal luxurious toy is not so alluring; there is a fine line between wanting your (and in this case, his, literally) team to win and just outright meddling in circumstances, I assume, he has not the slightest ideas how to handle properly, from a strictly footballing point of view. 
  

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

That was hard to read. Roman is a mad man, but he's our Billion Dollar mad man.  It amazes me that managers still want to manage this club, it really does.

I was certain that Roman and Co. had run out of his luck after we sacked Jose Mourinho this past season and we would have to hire some no-name manager, but alas, Antonio Conte has stepped up to the plate. Only to be fired 2 years from now. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

2 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

That was hard to read. Roman is a mad man, but he's our Billion Dollar mad man.  It amazes me that managers still want to manage this club, it really does.

I was certain that Roman and Co. had run out of his luck after we sacked Jose Mourinho this past season and we would have to hire some no-name manager, but alas, Antonio Conte has stepped up to the plate. Only to be fired 2 years from now. 

Alas?

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

That was hard to read. Roman is a mad man, but he's our Billion Dollar mad man.  It amazes me that managers still want to manage this club, it really does.

I was certain that Roman and Co. had run out of his luck after we sacked Jose Mourinho this past season and we would have to hire some no-name manager, but alas, Antonio Conte has stepped up to the plate. Only to be fired 2 years from now. 

If he does a shit job he will be sacked, if he does a good job he will stay, it's that simple. 

I'd rather that than stick with some shit manager just for the sake of time and stability, Arsene Wenger and Louis Van Gaal (if he somehow swindles a 3rd season at United) are walking reasons to fully embrace the sacking culture.

[Special Juan 28,141]

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We won the first game of the new season 6–0, but I was still summoned to Abramovich’s house that night to receive a “dressing down”, as they say in England, for the performance. Another red flag — and only one game into the season.

How strange....I still say that RA needs a lot more better football people around him.

[Beigl 1,387]

I understand that he criticizes Roman for certain incidents, firing Ray Wilkins fo example, but his explanations are a bit one-sided. The beginning of the end for Ancelottis reign was actually our 2010 summer transfer window, when we didn´t replace experienced players like Ballack, Joe Cole, Belleti and Deco and only bought Ramires who took his time to adjust to English football. Ancelotti should have been more vocal and demand a new winger, but then again our weaknesses were overshadowed by our great double-season.

From November 2010 on everyone could see that our 2010/11 campaign won´t end well, considering the lackluster performances of our players, Anelka and Malouda in particular. There were also injuries to Drogba and Lampard, which kept them sidelined for a long time and back then we couldn´t compensate those two players with our thin squad. As far as I can remember Ancelotti made many mistakes too, like leaking our starting XI in press conferences or insisting on Anelka and Malouda even tough they were absolutely rubbish from November until March. What I didn´t liked about him was his stubbornness to play the same players week after week. 

The boys rehabilitated themselves after the 2-1 against United, but ultimately it wasn´t enough for Ancelotti to stay. Back then I thought this was the correct decision, Ancelotti clearly didn´t reach the players anymore and we needed a new start. The manner in which he got fired was still a disgrace, especially when you consider how great our double season was. He was very much liked by the players though.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

For me the most interesting part in all of that was he finally said 'the club signed Fernando Torres'. He has always maintained that he asked to sign him and that he took responsibility.

Everything else in there had always been rumored and whispered and I think we all knew that that was what happened (and still happens). Still, it's disheartening to actually read it from Carlo himself. 

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

8 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Alas?

Yeah can't it be used to express concern too? (Atleast that's what I just read on Google ). Just Showing concern for Antonio Conte because we all know things turn to shit at Chelsea very quickly with managers. 

 

8 hours ago, Tomo said:

If he does a shit job he will be sacked, if he does a good job he will stay, it's that simple. 

I'd rather that than stick with some shit manager just for the sake of time and stability, Arsene Wenger and Louis Van Gaal (if he somehow swindles a 3rd season at United) are walking reasons to fully embrace the sacking culture.

 

Im not caping for the stability mantra, or even saying Carlo should have stayed on. His perrenial bottlings in the league is enough of a deterrent. 

I'm simply just stating the obvious that our manager situations always tourn sour. And Roman doesn't make it any easier by the extreme pressure he adds that is already present at managing a top club. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

32 minutes ago, Blue-in-me-Veins said:

Yeah can't it be used to express concern too? (Atleast that's what I just read on Google ). Just Showing concern for Antonio Conte because we all know things turn to shit at Chelsea very quickly with managers.

You made it sound like you were disappointed that a manager with a good reputation had joined the club.

[Tomo 21,751]

6 hours ago, Beigl said:

I understand that he criticizes Roman for certain incidents, firing Ray Wilkins fo example, but his explanations are a bit one-sided. The beginning of the end for Ancelottis reign was actually our 2010 summer transfer window, when we didn´t replace experienced players like Ballack, Joe Cole, Belleti and Deco and only bought Ramires who took his time to adjust to English football. Ancelotti should have been more vocal and demand a new winger, but then again our weaknesses were overshadowed by our great double-season.

From November 2010 on everyone could see that our 2010/11 campaign won´t end well, considering the lackluster performances of our players, Anelka and Malouda in particular. There were also injuries to Drogba and Lampard, which kept them sidelined for a long time and back then we couldn´t compensate those two players with our thin squad. As far as I can remember Ancelotti made many mistakes too, like leaking our starting XI in press conferences or insisting on Anelka and Malouda even tough they were absolutely rubbish from November until March. What I didn´t liked about him was his stubbornness to play the same players week after week. 

The boys rehabilitated themselves after the 2-1 against United, but ultimately it wasn´t enough for Ancelotti to stay. Back then I thought this was the correct decision, Ancelotti clearly didn´t reach the players anymore and we needed a new start. The manner in which he got fired was still a disgrace, especially when you consider how great our double season was. He was very much liked by the players though.

November 2010? It was obvious from the get go in my opinion, despite winning both 6-0 i saw a lot of things I didn't like against both West Brom and Wigan.

The difference between that season and this was the ridiculous mentality of the players helped us get results we quite frankly didn't deserve, despite this season being complete shit we actually pulled off some convincing performances our 10/11 team would never have managed (Newcastle 5-1, Palace 3-0, Anfield for a lot of the game), I can't think of one convining display in 10/11, not one.

[11Drogba 2,000]

12 hours ago, Tomo said:

If he does a shit job he will be sacked, if he does a good job he will stay, it's that simple.

His performance will depend on the support he will get from the board though. We can't isolate and blame only the managers for every bad season.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

You made it sound like you were disappointed that a manager with a good reputation had joined the club.

Nah never that. I've actually been very very optimistic about his hire, and really think he'll turn this lot around next season. I really do. 

But we all know as Chelsea fans, that the good times never last for long. 

[Clevemayer 764]

2011 was a shit season and I couldn't stand Carlo from day one, not as paerson jsut as trainer. I predicted what would happen back then and was labeled too pesimistic. And some of his defense is pretty lame. He favourised Anelka, Malouda the whole time and both were shit that season. He kept playing the same players over and over again... still remembering his raised eyebrow with his default anser : 'Ai ehm äppieh wisse skuade'....

 

May be Roman has a finger thats too fast at the trigger, bu tin Carlo's case he was right... hea had no clue

[Beigl 1,387]

November 2010? It was obvious from the get go in my opinion, despite winning both 6-0 i saw a lot of things I didn't like against both West Brom and Wigan.

The difference between that season and this was the ridiculous mentality of the players helped us get results we quite frankly didn't deserve, despite this season being complete shit we actually pulled off some convincing performances our 10/11 team would never have managed (Newcastle 5-1, Palace 3-0, Anfield for a lot of the game), I can't think of one convining display in 10/11, not one.

In my opinion that team was overall better than this seasons. We started very well and iirc after ten games we had only one defeat, which in my opinion is convincing enough. As you said we had certain problems, but I thought we had a very good team from August to October.

Then in autumn/winter we conceded the problems of having an ageing squad. At some point our starting XI had only one player who was under 27 years old in Mikel. Results have gone downwards, but we still got 75 points I think, which is about Arsenals average league results.

May I ask what you didn't like about our two 6-0 wins? I think they were quite convincing, especially the second one against Burnley. Maybe the scores were flattering though, I can't remember them that much, other than Drogba, Kalou, Anelka and Malouda scoring.