Closed Chelsea 1-2 Basel

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Serious question and forgetting tactically about why we performed badly.

Where was the drive and leadership throughout the second-half. You didn't need to be a tactical genius to see that the 1-0 lead was fragile and you would have expected to see some rallying together, communication and an organiser. A job John Terry has performed admirably for 10 seasons.

I saw nobody doing that, in my experience you can play badly/poorly, but as long as you have a leader on the pitch allied with quality footballers you can get away with most poor performances'. Lacked on field leadership and organisation last night, as well as width.

I mostly agree, but let's be fair, if at 1-0, while we're having our best spell of the game and missing chances for fun, Jose brings on JT for Cahill, it would have been called a "Benitez-substitution".

i don't see what MvG offers that Josh doesn't

our transfer policy is a farce

MVG is better defensively (well usually he is, although he wasn't yesterday), but Josh is better on the ball and in his reading of the game. I think the "deal-breaker" is MVG's strength and physical ability as compared to Josh.

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i have seen josh play for middlesborough, and for chelsea when he was 17. josh even at that age offered far more goal threat than mvg. mvg is more physical and a better cm for a pivot, but it seems so unfair on josh to say that he offers lesser goal threat than a player who must have put in about 10% of his passes in the forward direction, had a touch so bad in the last and only match that he could have been yellowed twice while trying to get the ball back.

does that explain it? to say mvg offers more goal threat than josh is criminal because mvg offers NO THREAT. he dint in any of the pre-season matches, or his 5 min sub performance or yesterday. meanwhile i remember josh controlling the tempo of one of his only games in pre-season and completely bossed in his short performance.

So you're basing your view of MVG on just his Chelsea career?

I would love Josh to kick on and be the player we hoped he would be but I think your view on their respective qualities are misguided.

And I managed that without implying you must be high.

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i have seen josh play for middlesborough, and for chelsea when he was 17. josh even at that age offered far more goal threat than mvg. mvg is more physical and a better cm for a pivot, but it seems so unfair on josh to say that he offers lesser goal threat than a player who must have put in about 10% of his passes in the forward direction, had a touch so bad in the last and only match that he could have been yellowed twice while trying to get the ball back.

does that explain it? to say mvg offers more goal threat than josh is criminal because mvg offers NO THREAT. he dint in any of the pre-season matches, or his 5 min sub performance or yesterday. meanwhile i remember josh controlling the tempo of one of his only games in pre-season and completely bossed in his short performance.

Mour is playing v.Ginkel as the most defensive player in the pivot. There is little way he could be a goal threat(ask Mikel), but Josh, if used in the pivot, will be the other midfielder in the pivot. He obviously will offer a better goal threat. Josh is more like Lamps than v.Ginkel, but the need of the hour is a world class player at CDM role cause we already have Rambo/Lamps to play as CM.

Would like to judge Josh if he gets a tart against Swindon. There's no way he's playing in the PL this season.

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[Special Juan 27,473]

Wow zero points after a home game reads grim viewing. It won't be an easy ride with Steaua and Schalke, not a chance.

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So you're basing your view of MVG on just his Chelsea career?

I would love Josh to kick on and be the player we hoped he would be but I think your view on their respective qualities are misguided.

And I managed that without implying you must be high.

so because mikel scored awesome goals for nigeria going past 3 defenders and all, i am supposed to say he is a goal threat? mvg is played as a DM here. for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB, mvg is no goal threat. jose is using him in that sense. josh on the other hand is far better attacking option and will be used as such. my view is not misguided at all. its only fair.

Mour is playing v.Ginkel as the most defensive player in the pivot. There is little way he could be a goal threat(ask Mikel), but Josh, if used in the pivot, will be the other midfielder in the pivot. He obviously will offer a better goal threat. Josh is more like Lamps than v.Ginkel, but the need of the hour is a world class player at CDM role cause we already have Rambo/Lamps to play as CM.

Would like to judge Josh if he gets a tart against Swindon. There's no way he's playing in the PL this season.

precisely my point. mikel may be great for nigeria but he has barely shown a thread of his "attacking prowess" for us. i have not seen mvg outside of chelsea, but off the 7 pre-season games , 5 min subs and yesterday's match, it safe to assume he is not much of a goal threat for us and is being used as such.

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so because mikel scored awesome goals for nigeria going past 3 defenders and all, i am supposed to say he is a goal threat? mvg is played as a DM here. for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB, mvg is no goal threat. jose is using him in that sense. josh on the other hand is far better attacking option and will be used as such. my view is not misguided at all. its only fair.

So you're saying that Van Ginkel isn't a goal threat because of the way Jose has used him in competitive games for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB, but you're judging Josh by a completely different criteria because he hasn't been picked by Jose in a competitive game for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB?

That seems unfair....CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB.

[didierforever 7,349]

Wow zero points after a home game reads grim viewing. It won't be an easy ride with Steaua and Schalke, not a chance.

simply cant see us winning any of the away fixtures. our "kids" simply dont have the metal to grind out an away result. we cant even do that in PL, so CL is far off. the max number of points we are getting is 9.

so its upto basel to get 5 out of their remaining 4 fixtures (considering that we draw with them).

so for me its europa again.

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. i have not seen mvg outside of chelsea,

Oh, that explains a lot. So you thought you'd pick a fight with me despite not having seen Van Ginkel play in a competitive game before last night.

That seems perplexing.

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simply cant see us winning any of the away fixtures. our "kids" simply dont have the metal to grind out an away result. we cant even do that in PL, so CL is far off. the max number of points we are getting is 9.

so its upto basel to get 5 out of their remaining 4 fixtures (considering that we draw with them).

so for me its europa again.

Writing us off after one game....implying our players don't have the metal (sic).

Support this team, not just when it's easy but when it's tough. I swear some people just want success handed to them on a plate without having to suffer even a little bit for it.

[Special Juan 27,473]

Oh, that explains a lot. So you thought you'd pick a fight with me despite not having seen Van Ginkel play in a competitive game before last night.

That seems perplexing.

This post absolutely stinks of 'Don't fight me I am harder than you'.....seriously mate he's trying to have a debate with you and you roll out this drivel.

Your choice of words over the last day or so have just completely stank this place out towards other people.

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Would like to judge Josh if he gets a tart against Swindon.

I had a tart in Swindon in the eighties. Julie something or other.

[didierforever 7,349]

So you're saying that Van Ginkel isn't a goal threat because of the way Jose has used him in competitive games for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB, but you're judging Josh by a completely different criteria because he hasn't been picked by Jose in a competitive game for CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB?

That seems unfair....CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB.

well mvg would not be better in attacking tham lamps/rambo/essien because whenever he was deployed in the pivot with any of these names, it was mvg who was the DM. thats goes to say a lot about his attacking prowess does not it.

oh anyways i forget, we just like to exaggerate every youngster that plays for us. for eg- mvg is as good a DLP as modric, right? or chalobah deserves a place in the team etc etc..

how am i judging josh on a different criteria? seen him play under ancelotti, seen him play carling cup games, even a CL game (which we won, by the way). and hence i can say he offers more than mvg.

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This post absolutely stinks of 'Don't fight me I am harder than you'.....seriously mate he's trying to have a debate with you and you roll out this drivel.

Your choice of words over the last day or so have just completely stank this place out towards other people.

It's not that at all. It's more a case of 'don't comment on a player's ability when you've seen him play one competitive match'. In fact I thought that was pretty obvious.

As for my choice of words, if they upset or offend you then put me on ignore. If you want to have a pop at me do it over PM. Stop piping up and moaning like a hysterical old woman whenever I reply to a post, ok?

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well mvg would not be better in attacking tham lamps/rambo/essien because whenever he was deployed in the pivot with any of these names, it was mvg who was the DM. thats goes to say a lot about his attacking prowess does not it.

Again, you're talking about the way he was used in ONE competitive game.

oh anyways i forget, we just like to exaggerate every youngster that plays for us. for eg- mvg is as good a DLP as modric, right? or chalobah deserves a place in the team etc etc..

He isn't as good as Modric, and they're very different players right now. Nat I believe does deserve a shot at a spot.

how am i judging josh on a different criteria? seen him play under ancelotti, seen him play carling cup games, even a CL game (which we won, by the way). and hence i can say he offers more than mvg.

Because you're judging Josh on the way he was used under other managers, even at other teams but not affording Van Ginkel the same criteria. You said yourself you've only seen him play one competitive game, but from that you decided to imply I was high.

That just seems unfair....CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB.

[didierforever 7,349]

Writing us off after one game....implying our players don't have the metal (sic).

Support this team, not just when it's easy but when it's tough. I swear some people just want success handed to them on a plate without having to suffer even a little bit for it.

oh i forgot. chelsea win matches just because TOPTB supports them no matter what. seems like u r having an off day and just wanna vent your frustration. first in the mou thread and now here. just trying to wind different people and trolling everywhere,,, right?

as for our CL campaign, i am not saying anything that is not possible. i can see us winning against schalke no matter what (in germany), we have already lost to steau (or whatever they are spelled), and have been outplayed by them for 135 minutes out of 180. as for the basel away game, things are not looking rosy., right?

[Special Juan 27,473]

It's not that at all. It's more a case of 'don't comment on a player's ability when you've seen him play one competitive match'. In fact I thought that was pretty obvious.

As for my choice of words, if they upset or offend you then put me on ignore. If you want to have a pop at me do it over PM. Stop piping up and moaning like a hysterical old woman whenever I reply to a post, ok?

You have asked someone to meet you face to face and choose to use the words 'pick a fight' over an internet debate when it's quite clear it is only a debate.

Like said earlier, I think you have an agenda and a real chip on your shoulder, you never used to be like this and seem to have turned into some angry troubled individual in the last week or so.

That's it from me, I won't put you ignore because I am not 7 years old, I will just choose to ignore your posts because they are either angry words having a go at someone that doesn't agree with your opinion or you want to fight them.

Have a good day, and apologies mods for taking this off topic.....I'm out!!!

[didierforever 7,349]

This post absolutely stinks of 'Don't fight me I am harder than you'.....seriously mate he's trying to have a debate with you and you roll out this drivel.

Your choice of words over the last day or so have just completely stank this place out towards other people.

what else do u expect out of TOPTB? i would have been suprised if this was the first time he had shown that attitude.