Willian

[Vesper 28,683]

3 minutes ago, manpe said:

We must now pray to all gods that they come with a cash only offer, but I have a feeling they want to get rid of Malcom in the process.

Yep. All they need to do is toss us Malcom and £20m. Hell, I will be nice and take €20m.

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9 hours ago, communicate said:

I'll be surprised if the report is true. 50 m for 30 years old player is a no brainer. 

Invest the money in younger winger or fb and we can be contender next season 

Dig deeper.

The offer was £5m plus Malcom. They said that equalled £50m for Willian. 

Bullshit. Malcom is worth (after a big fail) less than the £37.5m they paid for him. Lets say we reduce him by HALF the amount they are reducing Willian valuation (65m to 50m was the drop for him) so 7.5m drop for Malcom valuation

That makes Malcom worth £30m. So.... £30m value plus the £5m cash

Means they are only offering fucking £35m for a player (Willian) whom only 6 months ago they offered £65m cash!

£30m drop in real offer value v six months back! They trying to give us the Catalan bolloxing.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

15 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Dig deeper.

The offer was £5m us Malcom. They said that equalled £50m fir Willian. 

Bullshit. Malcom is worth (after a big fail) less than the £37.5m they paid for him. Lets say we reduce him by HALF the amount they are reducing Willian valuation (65m to 50m was the drop for him) so 7.5m drop for Malcom valuation

That makes Malcom worth £30m. So.... £30m value plus the £5m cash

Means they are only offering fucking £35m for a player (Willian) whom only 6 months ago they offered £65m cash!

£30m drop in real offer value v six months back! They trying to give us the Catalan bolloxing.

 

I'll start a whip round to sort his flight out!

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2 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I'll start a whip round to sort his flight out!

lol, you always quote me before I can go back in and sort my dyslexic spelling. I have horrid dyslexia (made earning my post grad degrees a true bish!)

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Chelsea tell Barcelona their demands to consider letting Willian leave in January

https://www.givemesport.com/1440898-chelsea-tell-barcelona-their-demands-to-consider-letting-willian-leave-in-january?autoplay=off

[Superblue 6,370]

Apparently Willian has made 49 key passes this season in the Premier League. Only Hazard (57) and Fraser (50) have made more.

I just thought I'd put this out there as I find it quite an interesting stat. I agree with the general consensus that Willian has played poorly this season, but stats like this would suggest that he still offers a very creative output.

After all, these are the sort of stats people churn out for Hazard when he has had seemingly poor games or poor runs of form, to argue or justify otherwise. 

 

[DYC. 7,542]

28 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Apparently Willian has made 49 key passes this season in the Premier League. Only Hazard (57) and Fraser (50) have made more.

I just thought I'd put this out there as I find it quite an interesting stat. I agree with the general consensus that Willian has played poorly this season, but stats like this would suggest that he still offers a very creative output.

After all, these are the sort of stats people churn out for Hazard when he has had seemingly poor games or poor runs of form, to argue or justify otherwise. 

 

Most players producing high key passes numbers take set-pieces. Hazard of course does not take set-pieces, bar the odd corner here and there. His key passes come from open play. That's the major difference.

And Willian will do enough for a Chelsea player to get on the end of his crosses, but the quality of his delivery isn't that great. I think you'll agree Chels haven't exactly been threatening from set-pieces.

I think the criticism Willian receives is exaggerated, but I understand the frustation because for years Chels have failed to bring in an upgrade.

But this is nothing new. Willian has shown us who he is from the go. Pretty good player but never decisive. Supporting cast as I like to call him. If Chels possessed more quality overall, he would not be problem, but that's not the case. 

And the funny thing is, though I've never been a fan of Willian, he's the best right winger Chels have had in the Abramovich era. The likes of Joe Cole and Anelka had good spells but it never lasted long. And people love to talk about Robben but Robben was not a right winger back then. He could do a job there but he was better on the left in those days. And Robben wasn't great in Chelsea colours. He was exciting to watch and very talented, but inconsistent and struggled with his fitness. Never hit double figures either. He just played in a better team.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Dig deeper.

The offer was £5m plus Malcom. They said that equalled £50m for Willian. 

Bullshit. Malcom is worth (after a big fail) less than the £37.5m they paid for him. Lets say we reduce him by HALF the amount they are reducing Willian valuation (65m to 50m was the drop for him) so 7.5m drop for Malcom valuation

That makes Malcom worth £30m. So.... £30m value plus the £5m cash

Means they are only offering fucking £35m for a player (Willian) whom only 6 months ago they offered £65m cash!

£30m drop in real offer value v six months back! They trying to give us the Catalan bolloxing.

 

Was that the actual offer?  I proposed that in this thread (or the Malcolm one, they are kind of the same right now) as a possible answer to the question "How the hell can Marina turn this down?" .

If that was the actual offer, then yes, our board isn't screwing this one up, that's a terrible offer.

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1 minute ago, DYC. said:

Most players producing high key passes numbers take set-pieces. Hazard of course does not take set-pieces, bar the odd corner here and there. His key passes come from open play. That's the major difference.

And Willian will do enough for a Chelsea player to get on the end of his crosses, but the quality of his delivery isn't that great. I think you'll agree Chels haven't really been threatening from set-pieces.

I think the criticism Willian receives is exaggerated, but I understand the frustation because for years Chels have failed to bring in an upgrade.

But this is nothing new. Willian has shown us who he is from the go. Pretty good player but never decisive. Supporting cast as I like to call him. If Chels possessed more quality overall, he would not be problem, but that's not the case. 

And the funny thing is, though I've never been a fan of Willian, he's the best right winger Chels have had in the Abramovich era. The likes of Joe Cole and Anelka had good spells but it never lasted long. And people love to talk about Robben but Robben was not a right winger back then. He could do a job there but he was better on the left in those days. And Robben wasn't great in Chelsea colours. He was exciting to watch and very talented, but inconsistent and struggled with his fitness. Never hit double figures either. He just played in a better team.

Yeah, I can understand that argument. I just think a lot of these stats are just filler and can be deceptive and just find it rather ironic that the same sort of stats that people churn out to try and argue when Hazard has been poor, Willian is similarly excelling in and being slagged to death, and for the most part it's probably justified because he has been poor this season in my opinion.

I'm also with you on set pieces, I think his corners in particular have been mostly poor this season. But if a lot of his key passes come from set pieces either (1) god knows how bad the rest of the league's set piece takers must be, and (2) without him it could be argued that we would miss those set piece 'key passes' (despite on the face of things being overall poor)

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

lol, you always quote me before I can go back in and sort my dyslexic spelling. I have horrid dyslexia (made earning my post grad degrees a true bish!)

You nutter. I really dont HOPE peeps arem't petty enough to bother about spelling and grammar on here. But if so then funk em!

But Iggy did once comment that he was quoting a post of mine once and every other word was underlined in red lol But I type what I think and rarely change what Ive typed before I post it. But I do SOMETIME edit it to correct spelling once its posted/

 

I read something the other day that peeps spelling and handwriting is becoming  more and more illegible due to computers etc.

We just dont write anymore. And with kids using computers to do homework etc it starts at a early age.  We just dont form words so peeps handwriting is getting to be worse than Drs.

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[Johnnyeye 7,440]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

sell the bastard and we get Malcolm

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He's fucking 30, he isn't going to improve any more.

[Unionjack 7,531]

16 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I like Sarri and do think he COULD make us do good things but I must admit he does fuckin do my nut in at times!

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17 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Barcelona are not giving up on Willian 

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea/barcelona-prepare-second-transfer-bid-for-chelsea-winger-willian-a4036586.html

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59 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

Was that the actual offer?  I proposed that in this thread (or the Malcolm one, they are kind of the same right now) as a possible answer to the question "How the hell can Marina turn this down?" .

If that was the actual offer, then yes, our board isn't screwing this one up, that's a terrible offer.

 Barca values Malcom at £45m so simple maths means £5m cash. £15 or £20m and deal done. Thats fair to both sides given valuation, offer, and purchase history.