🇧🇷 Willian

[kellzfresh 7,229]

He's a technically and tactically sound player, but he's afraid of the 18box, afraid of taking on his man towards goal.

He should start asserting himself soon or he would be used only when we want to kill the game like mikel.

[iseah100 5,612]

I actually think Oscar is better than Willian and that Schurrle is in better form than both.

But those comparisons are harmless, as they're all CFC players and whoever is in better form or fits the tactical plan better for certain matches will play. So we're good, it's good to have three players so different, but also with great qualities to them. Comparing our AMs will always sound okay for me because at the end of the day they're all here and Mourinho knows who's best for each moment and situation.

Harmless comparisons are good for debate; Schurrle or Willian, Willian or Oscar, Schurrle or Oscar. But the criticism Willian is getting is undeserved, he's a good player who will start quite a bit and we will need him if we want to win anything this year. Just like we will need Oscar and Schurrle. Different games require different players. I like Willian and he is valuable to us. So the criticism should stop. IMO.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Very. Almost as embarrassing as those who were branding Schurrle as the new Salomon Kalou - the same Schurrle who is now being extolled to such great heights. The way players go in and out of fashion on this forum is something else.

Lol, I very much remember this one. Schurrle was the new Kalou and now he's like a god on here. I love Schurrle but that was very funny.

[Madmax 9,219]

Football is a game of Efficiency and productivity. Players like Thomas Muller win you titles while players like Willian win you spoons and sum total of fuck all.

I take strong objection to the implication that Muller isn't much of a 'footballer'. He reads the game better than anyone I've seen.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I take strong objection to the implication that Muller isn't much of a 'footballer'. He reads the game better than anyone I've seen.

There is no implication of that.

Willian is a very pretty player. He dribbles nicely, he passes nicely, but there's very little incisiveness to his play which is why I compared him to Mikel earlier.

Muller is a devastating player. He finds chinks in defences and attacks them mercilessly. That doesn't mean he isn't a 'footballer'.

The slating of him is way OTT like wow. This just came out of no where. He might of not done a lot stats wise but I think people underrate his contribution to the team. People are just looking at the transfer fee and judging that he is a flop. I was impressed with him last season despite the stats. I think we will see more goals and assists this season. To compare him to SWP is laughable. Willian has came of his first season which I thought he done well. If anyone is using his stats as a way to say he was poor, I completely disagree. In many games where we won, he was a contributing factor.

My comparison of him to SWP was based on his transfer fee - he's another AM/winger that we've overpaid for and who we'd probably have to sell for quite a loss (I'm guessing to a Turkish team now, since Ukraine has gone to shit).

His stats aren't just a problem over the last year, but over the course of his career. He's never scored that many goals so the chances of him doing so at 26 are low. As for his defensive contribution, it's good in the context of a wide midfielder.

I also think he's deceptively slow over anything more than 5 yards. I don't think I've ever seen him outpace a player, but he does have quick feet and a fast running style which means he can usually beat the first man.

But it's hard to separate the fee from the man.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Even with Schurrle, I still see him as a starting player next season, especially in the big games. Stats or not, he aid Mourinho's way of playing.

[Madmax 9,219]

There is no implication of that.

Willian is a very pretty player. He dribbles nicely, he passes nicely, but there's very little incisiveness to his play which is why I compared him to Mikel earlier.

Muller is a devastating player. He finds chinks in defences and attacks them mercilessly. That doesn't mean he isn't a 'footballer'.

I may have jumped the gun. Yee haw.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Even with Schurrle, I still see him as a starting player next season, especially in the big games. Stats or not, he aid Mourinho's way of playing.

Yea but when we need a goal, he has no business being on the pitch with that laid back mentality.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Yea but when we need a goal, he has no business being on the pitch with that laid back mentality.

I don't really think its a about laid back mentality, because if he did, Mourinho wouldn't be playing him. I would be more inclined to believe that he's been instructed to play like that.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I don't really think its a about laid back mentality, because if he did, Mourinho wouldn't be playing him. I would be more inclined to believe that he's been instructed to play like that.

He is like mikel, in the sense that he follows the coaches instructions, and tactically executes them. But to become a better player one needs to impose yourself in the match, and Willian does this rarely.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

He is like mikel, in the sense that he follows the coaches instructions, and tactically executes them. But to become a better player one needs to impose yourself in the match, and Willian does this rarely.

that's true to an extent. He doesn't dare to take risks as often as Eden or Oscar do and sticks to what Jose probably does tell him to do.

[5354 204]

He does impose himself isnnt it? Just rarely.

I rememberd the few occasions whereby he scored some wonderful goals which wasn't really expected from him

[The only place to be 11,313]

Even with Schurrle, I still see him as a starting player next season, especially in the big games. Stats or not, he aid Mourinho's way of playing.

I think in the big games when we want to keep it tight, he'll play in that 433 that we saw yesterday in the second-half. We have a lot of big games in the first few months so he'll probably feature a lot but Schurrle NEEDS to be playing consistently from December onwards if we want to win the league in my opinion.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I think in the big games when we want to keep it tight, he'll play in that 433 that we saw yesterday in the second-half. We have a lot of big games in the first few months so he'll probably feature a lot but Schurrle NEEDS to be playing consistently from December onwards if we want to win the league in my opinion.

If the aim is attractive football this season then Schurrle should be a natural starter. It's not like his work-rate is that bad either.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If the aim is attractive football this season then Schurrle should be a natural starter. It's not like his work-rate is that bad either.

Winning is the aim with Mourinho....although not losing is perhaps more accurate.

That 433 we saw last night is built to stop teams, and Hazard and Willian are the only real concessions to attacking aspirations (along with Cesc's passing and Costa's striking ability, both of which will come second to their defensive duties).

I think we'll see that more than we'd like up to December because we have a lot of big games and the important thing is to be in touching distance of the title come Christmas. From then on we face 'weaker' teams and that's when we'll play more attacking football in my opinion.

Or maybe we'll actually look to beat teams by outplaying them a la Brenton....but unlikely.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

I don't have a problem with Willian. I prefer Andre to him, but Willian is still a useful player and I'm sure he'll get a lot of playing time this season. BUT he must stop taking corner kicks. FFS we might as well give the ball to the opposition.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Winning is the aim with Mourinho....although not losing is perhaps more accurate.

That 433 we saw last night is built to stop teams, and Hazard and Willian are the only real concessions to attacking aspirations (along with Cesc's passing and Costa's striking ability, both of which will come second to their defensive duties).

I think we'll see that more than we'd like up to December because we have a lot of big games and the important thing is to be in touching distance of the title come Christmas. From then on we face 'weaker' teams and that's when we'll play more attacking football in my opinion.

Or maybe we'll actually look to beat teams by outplaying them a la Brenton....but unlikely.

I think we'll be looking for the win more often than not this season. We played 4-3-3 in the 2nd half of the season when we had already dropped deeper... Jose will still employ that in the big matches but the addition of Cesc will make that less apparent.

[edetarod 2,155]

i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very useful

but for 32 mill you expect something more

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very useful

but for 32 mill you expect something more

Who knows maybe this year we see it?

[romeeh 139]

His stats aren't just a problem over the last year, but over the course of his career. He's never scored that many goals so the chances of him doing so at 26 are low. As for his defensive contribution, it's good in the context of a wide midfielder.

I also think he's deceptively slow over anything more than 5 yards. I don't think I've ever seen him outpace a player, but he does have quick feet and a fast running style which means he can usually beat the first man.

But it's hard to separate the fee from the man.

exactly thats what iam saying he has really high quality in dribbling passing..etc but his problem is scoring and even assist and he defend very well when u want to kill the match but if u compar to other players play in his position ...in numbers shurrle in all his career (played 233 match scored 68 goals) and he is 24 years....salah in all his career (played 143 match scored 56 goals) and he is 22 years still.......willian in all his career ( played 329 match and scored 46 goals!) and he is 26 years.. so i think schurrle and salah more forward players than willian.