edetarod 2,155 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very usefulbut for 32 mill you expect something more The only place to be and TorontoChelsea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very usefulbut for 32 mill you expect something moreWho knows maybe this year we see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 His stats aren't just a problem over the last year, but over the course of his career. He's never scored that many goals so the chances of him doing so at 26 are low. As for his defensive contribution, it's good in the context of a wide midfielder.I also think he's deceptively slow over anything more than 5 yards. I don't think I've ever seen him outpace a player, but he does have quick feet and a fast running style which means he can usually beat the first man.But it's hard to separate the fee from the man.exactly thats what iam saying he has really high quality in dribbling passing..etc but his problem is scoring and even assist and he defend very well when u want to kill the match but if u compar to other players play in his position ...in numbers shurrle in all his career (played 233 match scored 68 goals) and he is 24 years....salah in all his career (played 143 match scored 56 goals) and he is 22 years still.......willian in all his career ( played 329 match and scored 46 goals!) and he is 26 years.. so i think schurrle and salah more forward players than willian. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iainrfc04 39 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very usefulbut for 32 mill you expect something moreAgree with that, here's hoping that we see that this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Happy Birthday!!! :blue scalf: :blue scalf: kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I have to ask again, people keep saying Willian has poor Stats over his career, but 'stats' also means Assists, anyone know how many Assists he gave every season in Shaktar?Generaly, you dont have to score alot of goals to be a player who contribute alot statistics wise, you can also give alot of assists (Like Ozil for example, never scored more than 10 in Real but everybody knows he's a "Stars Player" with 15+ Assists per season).So until someone will show he has low nubmer of Assists in Shaktar, i wont understand this "Fact" his statistics are poor for his entire career.* Not every AM needs to be a scorer, so I dont get where this is come from. Ask Ozil, David Silva, Iniesta, Kross, Lavezzi, Turan, Koke... need more? Peace. and stroey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Who knows maybe this year we see it?Doubt it. He's 26 and has never been a scorer. That's just not his thing. 21 Goals in 151 games in the Ukranian and Russian leagues. He's not suddenly going to turn into a goal-scoring machine. He is what he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Doubt it. He's 26 and has never been a scorer. That's just not his thing. 21 Goals in 151 games in the Ukranian and Russian leagues. He's not suddenly going to turn into a goal-scoring machine. He is what he is. I guess we'll have to play the wait and see game. he's a good striker of the ball and gets into good areas, 26 isn't old its the prime of your career. He's got better teammates to play off of too. I don't think 10 goals is out of the realm of possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee25 1,044 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Doubt it. He's 26 and has never been a scorer. That's just not his thing. 21 Goals in 151 games in the Ukranian and Russian leagues. He's not suddenly going to turn into a goal-scoring machine. He is what he is. Cuadrado is the same age as Willian, last season he scored 15 goals in all competitions (11 goals in the league). He had never managed more than 5 goals before. I think if you were to look, you'll find that there're plenty of other similar examples. i think we can all agree that he's a good player to have, can be very usefulbut for 32 mill you expect something moreI'm not even sure that's the correct amount we paid for him. Sky sports reported that the fee was around 25.5m,which is only about 6 or 7m more than we paid for Schurrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I have to ask again, people keep saying Willian has poor Stats over his career, but 'stats' also means Assists, anyone know how many Assists he gave every season in Shaktar?Generaly, you dont have to score alot of goals to be a player who contribute alot statistics wise, you can also give alot of assists (Like Ozil for example, never scored more than 10 in Real but everybody knows he's a "Stars Player" with 15+ Assists per season).So until someone will show he has low nubmer of Assists in Shaktar, i wont understand this "Fact" his statistics are poor for his entire career.* Not every AM needs to be a scorer, so I dont get where this is come from. Ask Ozil, David Silva, Iniesta, Kross, Lavezzi, Turan, Koke... need more?I found these figures on the Russian site sports.ru:2010-2011 7 assists in the league2011-2012 16 assists in the league2012-2013 6 assitsts at Shakhtar and 1 assist at Anzhi But it must be noted that this site counts penalties earned as assists too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 I have to ask again, people keep saying Willian has poor Stats over his career, but 'stats' also means Assists, anyone know how many Assists he gave every season in Shaktar?League stats in Europe by seasonSeason ... goals, assists2007-08 ... 0,22008-09 ... 5,52009-10 ... 5,52010-11 ... 3,102011-12 ... 5,162012-13 ... 3,72013-14 ... 4,6http://www.transfermarkt.com/willian/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/52769 The only place to be, stroey and nadavTKL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 willian 4 goals 6 assist last season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 willian 4 goals 6 assist last season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 willian scored 4 goals 6 assist in 46 appearance with chelsea.....schurrle scored 9 goals 3 assist in 43 appearance , salah scored 4 goals 2 assist in 16 appearance with chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 League stats in Europe by seasonSeason ... goals, assists2007-08 ... 0,22008-09 ... 5,52009-10 ... 5,52010-11 ... 3,102011-12 ... 5,162012-13 ... 3,72013-14 ... 4,6http://www.transfermarkt.com/willian/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/52769If thats correct, he had 16 and 10 Assists in his best seasons in Shaktar, the two seasons people started to know his name. Thats good numbers, definitely not "poor" stats.in 12/13 he made the move to Anzi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 willian scored 4 goals 6 assist in 46 appearance with chelsea.....schurrle scored 9 goals 3 assist in 43 appearance , salah scored 4 goals 2 assist in 16 appearance with chelseaThose 4 and 6 are combined figures from Chelsea and a few games for Anzhi before his transfer in late August, so in fact 3 of the assists are for the Russian team.Also, these are just the league numbers so it's 4 apps and 0 goals, 3 assists for Anzhi; 25 apps and 4 goals, 3 assists for CFC; total 29 apps and 4 goals, 6 assists. romeeh and Daniel1980 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romeeh 139 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Those 4 and 6 are combined figures from Chelsea and a few games for Anzhi before his transfer in late August, so in fact 3 of the assists are for the Russian team.Also, these are just the league numbers so it's 4 apps and 0 goals, 3 assists for Anzhi; 25 apps and 4 goals, 3 assists for CFC; total 29 apps and 4 goals, 6 assists.i know that mean salah played less than him by 30 appearance and did almost same product 4 goals 2 assist ... willian 4 goals 3 assist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel1980 1,425 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 If thats correct, he had 16 and 10 Assists in his best seasons in Shaktar, the two seasons people started to know his name. Thats good numbers, definitely not "poor" stats.in 12/13 he made the move to Anzi.I'm not sure he had 10 assists in 2010-2011. Russian site says he had 7 assists that season. Transfermarkt.com isn't very reliable when it comes to stats. According to them, Fabregas had 19 assists in the league last season while he actually had 13(or 17 with penalties earned).So Willian's only good season stats-wise was 2011-2012, the rest were pretty average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 He had a bad shift yesterday, but it's his first 45 mins since coming back. I do agree though that with the quality Schürrle, Oscar and Hazard are playing now it's obvious they will be the main trio at the start of the season.Also, Happy Birthday Willian! The only place to be and Chelsea? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Cuadrado is the same age as Willian, last season he scored 15 goals in all competitions (11 goals in the league). He had never managed more than 5 goals before. Cuadrado is an odd example. He's had a strange career where he's played almost as much as a right-back/wing-back as he has as a winger. Even so, he scored most of his goals in a far more advanced position last season whereas Willian has spent his entire career as an attacking midfielder/winger (I believe).I'm not even sure that's the correct amount we paid for him. Sky sports reported that the fee was around 25.5m,which is only about 6 or 7m more than we paid for Schurrle. And the BBC said £30 million http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23814060 whilst the Mail said £32 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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