🇧🇷 Willian

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

That's for both last season and this season in the premier league. Both were equally average last season. Oscar scored more goals but Willian created more chances. This season, Oscar is outperforming him in every relevant category. That's what we're saying. Most people here hates Willian, or any Chelsea player for that matter. Don't take it personally.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/willian/126/64/7145/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/oscar/126/64/3129/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/willian/126/126/7145/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/oscar/126/126/3129/0/p#attack_score/total_forward_passes/key_passes/chances_created/goals_scored/assists/total_shots/successful_take_ons/successful_take_ons_%#total

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I haven't been active lately due to my personal schedule, but damn. What a brilliant tactical performance. Hope he keeps improving.

[Barbara 15,149]

My problem with him is that he could do much better than that because he has tons of talent and flair.

At the end of the day we shouldn't play both him and Oscar in the same matches, as while they offer a lot of work rate they have creative shortcomings, the thing is Oscar has been having a much better season. So we should rotate them, but avoid playing both at the same time.

He was better in some aspects today, but his decision making was still frustrating as heck. It seems he has 0 football brains, seriously, I can't name it any other way. And he's missed one meter passes in the final third that had me hitting my head on the wall.

I think when we play Mikel instead of Oscar it gets even worse. And whoever says he's been better than Oscar this season probably has been watching another team, or something, while Oscar hasn't been brilliant, he's been very good in many matches, Willian has been average in the final third most the matches he's played. And it seems he doesn't remember how to finish anymore

[Cescy 40]

Can you put here the numbers of Oscar and Willian last season in that same categories? Where is the difference bnetween the 2?

The biggest difference is that Oscar has improved and Willian hasn't.

[Spike 12,049]

I feel like I should warn every person that uses the tired old insult "you know nothing of football". Sick of reading it every thread.

[Styles 9,790]

This is really strange - I thought Willian had a good game and was a large part of why we were so utterly dominant in the first half. I can't quite believe what I'm reading to be honest.

Willian is the most unfaily maligned player in the team now that Mikel is no longer in the 11.

[iseah100 5,612]

I thought he was pretty good today. Hmm.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

[LAB 1,030]

Today he had a good game overall, but not threatening enough in the final third once again. By his standards today he was better, but that doesn't mean that he was great and the criticism he is getting is unfair.

[bababoom 4,478]

Was good, but it has to be said his final pass is atrocious.

[Styles 9,790]

It was a good game by Willian's standards. I thought he was better than Oscar today, but over the season so far Oscar has been definitely better.

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

Oscar's more decisive, though. He can shoot. His decision-making in the final third is generally better too. Unless we're seeing the beginning of Oscar's slump in form, I think he deserves to start. Though he is rather uncreative for a #10.

[Barbara 15,149]

He was comfortably better. If we're going to have one non-threatening 'attacker' in the team then it's Willian ahead of Oscar for me.

All I will say is that if Willian shouldn't be in the team (or doesn't have a future here) because he contributes very little in attack then the same also applies for Oscar.

except Oscar still contributes more...

Whenever Oscar makes room to Mikel we should have someone playing instead of Willian. Having Mikel AND Willian in the same lineup could increase home accident rates with people infringing pain onto themselves out of frustration.

I don't know what's been so wonderful about him in the final third today, I think he improved and he contributed to how we dominated the final third, but he still made 8 bad decisions out of 10.

And one of Oscar's biggest contributions today - and many other times - was creating space for others, space that Willian wasted. I'm in no way saying Oscar was better - he wasn't - but I wish I could see this amazing player you see on Willian that should displace our player with more assists after Cesc and who still remembers how to score - not to mention key passes, chances created, passes in the final third % and even tackles.

Oscar has been superior to Willian in every single aspect you look at - stats and performance wise - throughout the season, but I suppose each of us have a preference, regardless of what's shown in the pitch.

There's only so much room for AMs who excel in defending and pressing rather than attacking and whether you want to admit or not, numbers and volume of play show that Oscar has been better than Willian on both leads. They should rotate imo.

[Styles 9,790]

Oscar's more decisive, though. He can shoot. His decision-making in the final third is generally better too. Unless we're seeing the beginning of Oscar's slump in form, I think he deserves to start. Though he is rather uncreative for a #10.

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

[Barbara 15,149]

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

lol

right, mate. Lesson learned. Not going to discuss this with you anymore.

To each their own.

[Madmax 9,219]

What am I missing here?

Oscar vs Willian (EPL)

Goals : 3 vs 1

Assists : 5 vs 1

Key passes per game : 1.7 vs 1.1

Shots per game : 3.1 vs 1.8

Neither is a particularly great attacking threat but one decent game from Willian doesn't override Oscar's obviously greater input thus far this season and there's only one winner there.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Honestly, Oscar is a marginally more decisive/better decision-maker at best (if at all).

Oscar's been definitely more decisive in the final third.

Also, a pretty telling stat:

TOTAL FORWARD PASSES

Fabregas - 977 passes

Hazard - 486

Oscar - 466

Willian - 249

Out of all our main AMs, Willian is the one who plays forward passes the least. You can often see Hazard dribble past two defenders and give Willian the ball, Willian make a couple steps forward, wait, and then pass the ball back(or lose it). He's ineffective. Oscar is nowhere as effective and creative as Hazard and Fabregas, but he's definitely better than Willian.

[Barbara 15,149]

What am I missing here?

Oscar vs Willian (EPL)

Goals : 3 vs 1

Assists : 5 vs 1

Key passes per game : 1.7 vs 1.1

Shots per game : 3.1 vs 1.8

Neither is a particularly great attacking threat but one decent game from Willian doesn't override Oscar's obviously greater input thus far this season and there's only one winner there.

Then there's the defensive aspect:

Tackles: 2.3 vs 1.2

Clearances: 1.4 vs 0.2

I mean, Willian is good defensively, but the only edge he has on Oscar on both aspects is stamina and pace. Oscar's decision making isn't anything spectacular (except Costa and Cesc we don't have great decision makers) and he isn't the most decisive player either. The thing is if I had to rate Oscar on those I'd give him a 6.5, but I'd give Willian at most a 4. His decision making and decisiveness are pretty bad, one of the worst in the whole team, not only compared to Oscar. He offers many things in the team balance, but Oscar is not marginally better than Willian in terms of return, he's better by a safe margin.

I think at the end of the day the difference between them is that Oscar is quite smart. I've read quotes by Mourinho, Dunga, Fàbregas, Hazard, Neymar and many pundits praising Oscar for his intelligence and ability to read the game. If Willian was half good in that aspect, he could be our best player because he's way more talented than Oscar. But he lacks any ability to read the game properly, he lacks vision unless it's the obvious pass and he doesn't have the best football brains.

I still believe he'd be great in a less competitive league.

[Styles 9,790]

except Oscar still contributes more...

Oscar has better numbers. I still prefer Willian because I think he's a better ball-handler, smarter player and more versatile.

Whenever Oscar makes room to Mikel we should have someone playing instead of Willian. Having Mikel AND Willian in the same lineup could increase home accident rates with people infringing pain onto themselves out of frustration.

It worked perfectly fine the other night when they both helped the team win in one of the hardest away games of the season.

I don't know what's been so wonderful about him in the final third today, I think he improved and he contributed to how we dominated the final third, but he still made 8 bad decisions out of 10.

And one of Oscar's biggest contributions today - and many other times - was creating space for others, space that Willian wasted. I'm in no way saying Oscar was better - he wasn't - but I wish I could see this amazing player you see on Willian that should displace our player with more assists after Cesc and who still remembers how to score - not to mention key passes, chances created, passes in the final third % and even tackles.

Oscar has been superior to Willian in every single aspect you look at - stats and performance wise - throughout the season, but I suppose each of us have a preference, regardless of what's shown in the pitch.

There's only so much room for AMs who excel in defending and pressing rather than attacking and whether you want to admit or not, numbers and volume of play show that Oscar has been better than Willian on both leads. They should rotate imo.

I thought Willian made some perfectly good decisions today (couple of good shots and set-up Hazard too) - and some of his passing in the build-up was very good, he's a very smart player in possession in my opinion - but not everything he tried came off which is normal.

I don't even want to get into the vague 'creating space' thing that Oscar does (I see clearly how Costa creates space for the team, don't see it with Oscar to be honest) but Willian played better than Oscar today.

The elephant in the room is that Fabregas can also play CAM and he'd contribute more than just 'providing space'. That's ultimately what I want to see: Fabregas playing CAM. What happens with Oscar after that? I genuinely couldn't care less to be honest. Willian owns the RW until somebody better than him is bought in.

[Styles 9,790]

What am I missing here?

Oscar vs Willian (EPL)

Goals : 3 vs 1

Assists : 5 vs 1

Key passes per game : 1.7 vs 1.1

Shots per game : 3.1 vs 1.8

Neither is a particularly great attacking threat but one decent game from Willian doesn't override Oscar's obviously greater input thus far this season and there's only one winner there.

Which is my point - after that it comes down to personal preference. Obviously the numbers favour Oscar but personally I prefer Willian.