Fernando Torres

[Jype 6,398]

4-2 win against Reading. Torres scored 1.

2-0 win against Newcastle. Torres scored 1.

2-0 win against Arsenal. Torres scored 1.

4-1 win against Norwich. Torres scored 1.

3-1 loss against West Ham. Torres assisted 1.

3-1 win against Sunderland. Torres scored 2.

Take way his goals and assists we would have exactly one less point.

Torres has won us one point this season. And who knows someone else might have scored that penalty against Sunderland so it's debatable if he even has one us a single point.

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Arsenal match was 2-1 with Torres scoring the opening goal, so that's another two points to your calculations. Still a shocking stat and shows just how small time player he is nowadays but I thought I'd correct you before Backstreet09 has the chance and shoves those statistics up your ass and blames you for being a hater and manipulating the stats to make the ladyboy look worse.

[Spike 12,049]

Arsenal match was 2-1 with Torres scoring the opening goal, so that's another two points to your calculations. Still a shocking stat and shows just how small time player he is nowadays but I thought I'd correct you before Backstreet09 has the chance and shoves those statistics up your ass and blames you for being a hater and manipulating the stats to make the ladyboy look worse.

It's hardly a manipulation. It's right there! He has not been crucial to the team at all this season! I wouldn't mind him scoring so few goals as long as they were important ones. 10 winners against teams like Arsenal, ManUtd, ManCity and Tottenham are worth more than a a hattrick against QPR when you've already put five past them.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Get up how many minutes each have played and you'll get a different story. Stats can easily be manipulated.

of course but i find it funny how its Chelsea fans who keep finding ways to discredit Torres, someone on here went through he trouble of working out how many minutes each player played to show that Torres had played more minutes so his goals mean nothing, thats something i would expect the Liverpool fans to do! so at the end of the season if Torres wins the golden boot (i know it wont happen its just an example) having played 5 more games than RVP and Aguero for example will everyone on here be saying Torres only won the golden boot because he played 5 more games? you bet they will and i bet supporters of other team would say fair play to Torres.

You dont see the Barca fans saying Messi has only outscored Muller because he played more games or took more penalties do you? says it all really how people feel about Torres on here! people would much rather see him not score another goal this season and get sold in the summer than for Torres to suddenly start scoring every week! for me i know Torres is pretty awful but im not going to hate the guy for not being good enough! or blame everything on him like people do on here.

[Despiadado.Maleante 1,046]

die torres die

[Jype 6,398]

die torres die

Comments like that are not needed here. We can slate him all we want and call him a cunt if we want to, but to actually wish him physical harm is even more disgraceful than the man's Chelsea career.

[Spike 12,049]

Comments like that are not needed here. We can slate him all we want and call him a cunt if we want to, but to actually wish him physical harm is even more disgraceful than the man's Chelsea career.

Mate, it's German for "the Torres, the".

[Pacquiao 1,834]

4-2 win against Reading. Torres scored 1.

2-0 win against Newcastle. Torres scored 1.

2-1 win against Arsenal. Torres scored 1.

4-1 win against Norwich. Torres scored 1.

3-1 loss against West Ham. Torres assisted 1.

3-1 win against Sunderland. Torres scored 2.

Take way his goals and assists we would have exactly three less points.

Torres has won us one point this season. And who knows someone else might have scored that penalty against Sunderland so it's debatable if that even counts.

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as i was saying yet another person trying to discredit Torres i bet Man U fans try to find ways to discredit RVP's goals all the time and i bet City fans do the same with Aguero as well!

this has to be one of the most stupid yet! you do realize goals change games! how do you know if Torres never got the 3rd against reading that someone else would have? and had he not scored that goal we never would have got the fourth as their keeper wouldn't have come up to try to score an equalizer.

How do you know if Torres never put us 2-0 up right on HT against Newcastle that they wouldn't have got back into the game and got an equalizer? scoring at HT to give a some breathing space was the perfect time to score and virtually ended Newcastle's chances of getting back into the game.

Torres scoring the opener at Arsenal was a very important goal, if they scored it things would have been very different! we needed the first goal in that game and he got it for us.

Then he scored an equalizer against Norwich right after they scored the timing of his goal was perfect as it never gave Norwich time to settle and defend their lead had he not scored that goal then who knows how long it would have taken us to equalize!

The only time you can say a goal wasnt important is if your team is 4-0 up and someone scores a 5th and none of his goals have been like that they have all been important and swung all those matches our way. Yet another pathetic attempt to discredit the guy again! i would rather people just post 'Torres is crap' rather than trying to find stupid ways to discredit him when he scores!

[Spike 12,049]

as i was saying yet another person trying to discredit Torres i bet Man U fans try to find ways to discredit RVP's goals all the time and i bet City fans do the same with Aguero as well!

this has to be one of the most stupid yet! you do realize goals change games! how do you know if Torres never got the 3rd against reading that someone else would have? and had he not scored that goal we never would have got the fourth as their keeper wouldn't have come up to try to score an equalizer.

How do you know if Torres never put us 2-0 up right on HT against Newcastle that they wouldn't have got back into the game and got an equalizer? scoring at HT to give a some breathing space was the perfect time to score and virtually ended Newcastle's chances of getting back into the game.

Torres scoring the opener at Arsenal was a very important goal, if they scored it things would have been very different! we needed the first goal in that game and he got it for us.

Then he scored an equalizer against Norwich right after they scored the timing of his goal was perfect as it never gave Norwich time to settle and defend their lead had he not scored that goal then who knows how long it would have taken us to equalize!

The only time you can say a goal wasnt important is if your team is 4-0 up and someone scores a 5th and none of his goals have been like that they have all been important and swung all those matches our way. Yet another pathetic attempt to discredit the guy again! i would rather people just post 'Torres is crap' rather than trying to find stupid ways to discredit him when he scores!

I can hypothetical too.

How do you know Chelsea wouldn't have won those games 5-0 without Torres? Can you prove that? No you can't. Can you prove that someone would not have scored? No. ANd here is another: What if Torres never signed in 2010, what if we won the Premiership and the Champions League with Carlo? What if, what if, what if, I don't give a fuck about what ifs.

I wasn't talking about fucking hypothetical situations was I? I was approaching the game on a purely mathematical basis. I am not here to argue about bullshit what ifs.

You my friend are trying to rationalise something as chaotic and unpredictable as the future by saying things like: "scoring at HT to give a some breathing space was the perfect time to score and virtually ended Newcastle's chances of getting back into the game." Please tell me how you know this. How do you know that Newcastle's chances were ended there? How? How do you know that Newcastle's chances to win the game were ended there? I can continue repeating myself if you so desire. Oh, if I might add you contradict yourself quite well by saying this beforehand: "How do you know if Torres never put us 2-0 up right on HT against Newcastle that they wouldn't have got back into the game and got an equalizer?" You start by questioning me about knowing things I can not possibly know but follow up with a statement you can not prove or disprove, but you seem pretty sure about it's authenticity.

"and had he not scored that goal we never would have got the fourth as their keeper wouldn't have come up to try to score an equalizer." Again how do you know this? How do you know that Chelsea would not have scored four goals? It's entirely possible that 5 goals could have been scored, is it not?

"The only time you can say a goal wasnt important is if your team is 4-0 up and someone scores a 5th and none of his goals have been like that they have all been important and swung all those matches our way." Is this true? I suppose that is why there is no such things as comebacks? Mistake me if I'm wrong but did Newcastle not come from four goals down to tie with Arsenal in the 09/10 season?

Hitherto, I'm was debating statisitcs and maths while you concern yourself with hypothetical scenarios; which have nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I was approaching the game on a purely mathematical basis.

Well there's your problem. You can't do that.

As much as I dislike Torres, your analysis of his goals is rather pathetic. The Reading goal for example was the goal that put us 3-2 up. The goal against Arsenal was the first one, and a very good one at that. The one at Norwich was the one that drew us level after going behind. They were vital goals and that's one of the things he wasn't really doing before, but he still isn't doing it enough.

And on a 'purely mathematical basis' wouldn't we have exactly four less points, not three?

[Spike 12,049]

Well there's your problem. You can't do that.

As much as I dislike Torres, your analysis of his goals is rather pathetic. The Reading goal for example was the goal that put us 3-2 up. The goal against Arsenal was the first one, and a very good one at that. The one at Norwich was the one that drew us level after going behind. They were vital goals and that's one of the things he wasn't really doing before, but he still isn't doing it enough.

And on a 'purely mathematical basis' wouldn't we have exactly four less points, not three?

It wasn't really an analysis though was it? I never once called it an analysis. It was just a brief look at statistics. When looking at goals during a match compared to after it's a completely different thing. I was merely stating that if you take away his goals without going further into the actual matches nothing much changes. I was merely pointing out that there aren't many games where Torres scored that one winning goal, say in a 1-0 victory over a team like Man Utd. I guess though, most people missed the point I was trying to make, though I probably did not elaborate very well in the original post.

And yes you are right it would be four points dropped. A bit of a mind lapse that one.

[The only place to be 11,313]

It wasn't really an analysis though was it? I never once called it an analysis. It was just a brief look at statistics. When looking at goals during a match compared to after it's a completely different thing. I was merely stating that if you take away his goals without going further into the actual matches nothing much changes. I was merely pointing out that there aren't many games where Torres scored that one winning goal, say in a 1-0 victory over a team like Man Utd. I guess though, most people missed the point I was trying to make, though I probably did not elaborate very well in the original post.

And yes you are right it would be four points dropped. A bit of a mind lapse that one.

One of my criticisms of him was that he didn't seem to score 'important' goals, but he seemed to be improving in that area ever so slightly.

But the simple fact is that not all goals are equal and that's illustrated by two players; Lampard and Kalou.

The number of goals that Lampard scored that were either the first or winning goal is astounding, whereas Kalou often came on (especially under Ancelotti if memory serves) when we were already a few goals up and he'd add a few more. It's one of the reasons Lampard is probably our greatest ever player.

[Backstreet09 499]

All Hail Lord Drogba , It's just me or it has become a sin to say anything that goes against him ?

Club 	Season 	Premier League 	FA Cup 	League Cup 	Continental 	Others 	TotalApp 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	AssistChelsea 	2004–05 	26 	10 	5 	2 	0 	0 	4 	1 	0 	9 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	41 	16 	52005–06 	29 	12 	11 	3 	1 	0 	1 	0 	0 	7 	1 	0 	1 	2 	0 	41 	16 	112006–07 	36 	20 	4 	6 	3 	2 	5 	4 	2 	12 	6 	1 	1 	0 	0 	60 	33 	92007–08 	19 	8 	6 	1 	0 	0 	1 	1 	0 	11 	6 	2 	0 	0 	0 	32 	15 	82008–09 	24 	5 	4 	6 	3 	0 	2 	1 	0 	10 	5 	1 	0 	0 	0 	42 	14 	52009–10 	32 	29 	10 	4 	3 	1 	2 	2 	0 	5 	3 	0 	1 	0 	1 	44 	37 	122010–11 	36 	11 	13 	2 	0 	2 	0 	0 	0 	7 	2 	2 	1 	0 	0 	46 	13 	172011–12 	24 	5 	1 	3 	2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	8 	6 	2 	0 	0 	0 	35 	13 	4Total 		226 	100 	54 	27 	12 	6 	15 	9 	2 	69 	34 	8 	4 	2 	1 	341 	157 	71

Apart from 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 , he never scored 20 plus goals in the league . Respect to him but he aint a Legend and all of you would never had given a single fuck to him , if robben had converted that penalty in UEFA final #FACT

And most importantly , Cahill missed the same chance in the first half , why no one said anything to him ? Don't say that's he's not a striker or anythin cause you all are the one saying stupid things that even a one leg could have scored that

[Leif 6,006]

but he aint a Legend and all of you would never had given a single fuck to him , if robben had converted that penalty in UEFA final #FACT

Ban please.

[Kieran. 6,317]

All Hail Lord Drogba , It's just me or it has become a sin to say anything that goes against him ?

Club 	Season 	Premier League 	FA Cup 	League Cup 	Continental 	Others 	TotalApp 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	Assist 	App 	Goals 	AssistChelsea 	2004–05 	26 	10 	5 	2 	0 	0 	4 	1 	0 	9 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	41 	16 	52005–06 	29 	12 	11 	3 	1 	0 	1 	0 	0 	7 	1 	0 	1 	2 	0 	41 	16 	112006–07 	36 	20 	4 	6 	3 	2 	5 	4 	2 	12 	6 	1 	1 	0 	0 	60 	33 	92007–08 	19 	8 	6 	1 	0 	0 	1 	1 	0 	11 	6 	2 	0 	0 	0 	32 	15 	82008–09 	24 	5 	4 	6 	3 	0 	2 	1 	0 	10 	5 	1 	0 	0 	0 	42 	14 	52009–10 	32 	29 	10 	4 	3 	1 	2 	2 	0 	5 	3 	0 	1 	0 	1 	44 	37 	122010–11 	36 	11 	13 	2 	0 	2 	0 	0 	0 	7 	2 	2 	1 	0 	0 	46 	13 	172011–12 	24 	5 	1 	3 	2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	8 	6 	2 	0 	0 	0 	35 	13 	4Total 		226 	100 	54 	27 	12 	6 	15 	9 	2 	69 	34 	8 	4 	2 	1 	341 	157 	71

Apart from 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 , he never scored 20 plus goals in the league . Respect to him but he aint a Legend and all of you would never had given a single fuck to him , if robben had converted that penalty in UEFA final #FACT

And most importantly , Cahill missed the same chance in the first half , why no one said anything to him ? Don't say that's he's not a striker or anythin cause you all are the one saying stupid things that even a one leg could have scored that

Go suck Torres off.

DROGBA > torres

[Backstreet09 499]

Ban please.

Yes please , Actually i'm going myself , It's better to be off the place where fans doesn't respect the guy in the blue shirt

[Spike 12,049]

One of my criticisms of him was that he didn't seem to score 'important' goals, but he seemed to be improving in that area ever so slightly.

But the simple fact is that not all goals are equal and that's illustrated by two players; Lampard and Kalou.

The number of goals that Lampard scored that were either the first or winning goal is astounding, whereas Kalou often came on (especially under Ancelotti if memory serves) when we were already a few goals up and he'd add a few more. It's one of the reasons Lampard is probably our greatest ever player.

Or Drogba. I think he has more silverware winning goals than any Chelsea player ever.

All Hail Lord Drogba , It's just me or it has become a sin to say anything that goes against him ?

Club Season Premier League FA Cup League Cup Continental Others Total App Goals Assist App Goals Assist App Goals Assist App Goals Assist App Goals Assist App Goals Assist Chelsea 2004–05 26 10 5 2 0 0 4 1 0 9 5 0 0 0 0 41 16 5 2005–06 29 12 11 3 1 0 1 0 0 7 1 0 1 2 0 41 16 11 2006–07 36 20 4 6 3 2 5 4 2 12 6 1 1 0 0 60 33 9 2007–08 19 8 6 1 0 0 1 1 0 11 6 2 0 0 0 32 15 8 2008–09 24 5 4 6 3 0 2 1 0 10 5 1 0 0 0 42 14 5 2009–10 32 29 10 4 3 1 2 2 0 5 3 0 1 0 1 44 37 12 2010–11 36 11 13 2 0 2 0 0 0 7 2 2 1 0 0 46 13 17 2011–12 24 5 1 3 2 1 0 0 0 8 6 2 0 0 0 35 13 4 Total 226 100 54 27 12 6 15 9 2 69 34 8 4 2 1 341 157 71

Apart from 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 , he never scored 20 plus goals in the league . Respect to him but he aint a Legend and all of you would never had given a single fuck to him , if robben had converted that penalty in UEFA final #FACT

And most importantly , Cahill missed the same chance in the first half , why no one said anything to him ? Don't say that's he's not a striker or anythin cause you all are the one saying stupid things that even a one leg could have scored that

Okay. First off, hypotheticals can go to hell.

The 'offside goal' that Drogba scored against ManUtd that won us the 09/10 Premier League.

Winning and only goal against ManUtd in the 06/07 FA Cup Final.

The equaliser against Everton in the 08/09 FA Cup Final.

The winning and only goal against Pompey in the 09/10 FA Cup Final.

The second and eventualy winning goal against Liverpool in the 11/12 FA Cup Final.

The equalising goal and winning penalty against Bayern Munich in the 11/12 Champions League Final.

The only two goals scored against Arsenal in the 06/07 League Cup Final.

The only two goals scored against Arsenal in the 04/05 Community Shield.

Nobody has scored in more FA Cup finals the Drogba.

Nobody has scored in all of the FA Cup Final appearances except for Drogba.

First African to score 100 League goals.

[zolayes 14,489]

Mate, it's German for "the Torres, the".

yes the female "the"

[Las7 951]

of course but i find it funny how its Chelsea fans who keep finding ways to discredit Torres, someone on here went through he trouble of working out how many minutes each player played to show that Torres had played more minutes so his goals mean nothing, thats something i would expect the Liverpool fans to do! so at the end of the season if Torres wins the golden boot (i know it wont happen its just an example) having played 5 more games than RVP and Aguero for example will everyone on here be saying Torres only won the golden boot because he played 5 more games? you bet they will and i bet supporters of other team would say fair play to Torres.

You dont see the Barca fans saying Messi has only outscored Muller because he played more games or took more penalties do you? says it all really how people feel about Torres on here! people would much rather see him not score another goal this season and get sold in the summer than for Torres to suddenly start scoring every week! for me i know Torres is pretty awful but im not going to hate the guy for not being good enough! or blame everything on him like people do on here.

When you are looking at a striker of course you are going to look at the amount of time on the field it takes him to score a goal. Virtually all the top strikers when on form score a goal every 120 minutes or less they are on the field. Virtually all other top teams cannot afford to have a first choice forward who takes two and a half games to get a goal. Statistics for a guy like Torres are comparable to lower level teams who don't have many options up top and are forced into playing the same players every game like Wigan(Franco Di Santo); Everton(Jelavic); Sunderland(Fletcher); etc not something you would expect from a Club challenging for titles.

Brining out statistics like Torres has more goals than Rooney; Aguerro; Balotelli etc when he has played twice the amount of time compared to the rest of these players is frankly pathetic. It's no wonder the last time Torres was in form at Liverpool he had a goal every 88 minutes which was 4 years ago. When you are virtually the only choice here(Sturridge started one game up top when Torres was banned and Hazard was played ahead of him against Juve), compared to a guy like RvP who gets rested for some of United's easier games to keep him fresh is funny. What would have happened if Sturridge/Lukaku had played up top against some of the struggling teams which Torres bloated his goal tally against like the Nords; QPR; Genk; Leichester; Monterrey; Wolves; etc he would be on 10 goals right now. Last season the only goal which was either an equalizer; winning goal; or opening goal Torres scored was against Swansea all the rest of his goals were absolutely pointless in terms of our team winning games or securing points.