Fernando Torres

[lionsden 4,689]

Actually I kinda agree with him, it really is. Sturridge and Suarez are as good examples as you can see. Now they are soon to be highest scoring duo in BPL history apparently. That DEFINITELY had a massive say in their position now. Diego Costa clear example as day, Atletico would be going no where if they had Demba Ba leading the line now.

They aren't magician or superheroes but they can be very important, sometime even making a team from aiming to finish 4th to winning the league.

You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success.

[duo11bluecl 207]

You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success.

Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.

Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling.

[lionsden 4,689]

Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.

Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling.

No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team.

[duo11bluecl 207]

No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team.

Actually yes indeed, that is EXACTLY why he will be bought. Against Athlect(spelling) last week or Granada, do you know who scored those important goals? Countless times this season too against parked the bus defense. Of course he is not gonna bang it in from 30 yards or whatever, but he will be able to win that header from the corner and score which is what none of our striker have been able to do for God know how long.

Of course he is not gonna change completely so we are not gonna move to tiki taka even if we bought Messi...etc. Actually your last point is spot on, I understand your view now and it is right.

[Polo7 3,496]

shit player

Thats at 1-1. A goal would have completely changed the game.

[lionsden 4,689]

shit player

What was more frustrating than Torres shitness was Ramires unintelligent in the build up. run towards a crowd of players instead of using your run to pull a defender away and create space.

I still can't decide who has a lower football IQ between Ramires, Torres and Luiz.

[Las7 951]

Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.

great strikers aren't magician or superheroes.

There is something magical about Messi; Ronaldo; Cronaldo; Henry; Romario; Drogba; Zlatan; Eto'o in their prime

An on form RvP was the difference between mid table squad and title winning one

Suarez and Sturridge have single handedly maintained Liverpools title challenge this season as I've said Liverpool would be midtable or worse if they had our strikers in their place regardless of system.

Zlatan transformed PSG from a team that was in the League 2 to basically walking the Championship in France

You build a team around a great striker, you don't build a team around a shite striker.

[Kinol 337]

Mourinho has reportedly received the green light from Roman Abramovich to offload all four senior strikers. (Mirror)

This is why I love Mourinho

[Tomo 21,751]

Just been thinking, if any other striker off ours the last two decades got the unconditional minutes Torres got for half off last season (before Demba got here), who would actually do worse?

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

shit players

Corrected for you (Ramires with that run. Oh God...)

[Blue Armour 4,436]

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

The only way I see this problem being neutralised is if we can somehow find a striker with 96-100 % efficiency rate, who would make the absolute most of every scraps he gets because that's what our strikers usually have to feed on/work with. such striker might exist on mars.

with the way we play football, I don't see a top striker changing much. the changes must come from the training ground which starts with a change of mentality, philosophy and direction.

We all watch football and how many times have we seen world class strikers struggle because they were left isolated, frustrated and deprived of quality services upfront leading to an ineffective attacking impact from these top strikers. It happens quite a lot especially in big games due to a tactical approach and set up that doesn't allow strikers to flourish.

For our midfield the viable option is to have an attacker who works like a slave for the midfield behind him...That's essentially what Didier Drogba did, dropping deep, making the most of average service and contributing anyway he could....apart from the two seasons when he could delegate some of his work to other forwards like Anelka and Schevchenko, and actually score goals.

[Muzchap 8,966]

He's gone - end of story, nothing more to say - except lets never repeat this buying performance again!!!

[Special Juan 28,133]

This is why I love Mourinho

If true summer could be awesome.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

I will like to see what people will blame our attacking deficiencies on when we buy a worldclass/top striker and the current problem of struggling to break down compact defences and inability to retain quality possession still persist. Some people are in for a rude awakening.

The only way I see this problem being neutralised is if we can somehow find a striker with 96-100 % efficiency rate, who would make the absolute most of every scraps he gets because that's what our strikers usually have to feed on/work with. such striker might exist on mars.

with the way we play football, I don't see a top striker changing much. the changes must come from the training ground which starts with a change of mentality, philosophy and direction.

We all watch football and how many times have we seen world class strikers struggle because they were left isolated, frustrated and deprived of quality services upfront leading to an ineffective attacking impact from these top strikers. It happens quite a lot especially in big games due to a tactical approach and set up that doesn't allow strikers to flourish.

Although there are easier clubs to play as a striker, it's not that he's not getting any assists. I've seen him straight up murdering various clear scoring opportunities offered to him by for example Hazard. He just lost it, no excuse.

[mediator 2,026]

We should do it !

Torres will dig his heels in: Chelsea must pay £10m to get unwanted striker off their wage bill

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