Charly Musonda Jr.

[bababoom 4,478]

how was he?

[JDY 1,290]

32 minutes ago, James said:

how was he?

Lively in the first half. Betis got dominated in the 2nd half so didn't see much of him after the break.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

On 14/02/2016 at 1:34 PM, James said:

how was he?

Very ordinary.

He moves beautifully so he always looks good when carrying the ball but the goal was pretty much the only productive thing Charlay did all game. He struggled to get on the ball particularly in the first half when he was clearly under orders to hug the left touchline. When he did get into the game, there was nothing particularly noteworthy from him; a couple of nice runs maybe but they fizzled out as he ran into traffic. He was not outright bad however, there were no big opportunities lost because of him. The closest being when he might have ended one of his runs by feeding the runner through the inside right position but either didn't see it or else didn't feel he could organise his body shape to play the pass so didn't try.

That run ended with Charlay running into traffic and being dispossessed and led to the only passage of play where Charlay might, I say might, be due some criticism. Having dispossessed Charlay, Deportivo moved the ball to a player who carried it about sixty yards from the edge of his own box to the edge of Betis's. Like so many players do when they are guilty of loosing possession, Charlay chased the ball carrier all the way and, though he was not able to get in front of the player to make a challenge, his pressure did cause his opponent to hurry and Depo's attack broke down. So far so good by our lad. From that breakdown Betis launched a counter that ultimately led to their second goal. As the counter developed there was a huge gap in the region that Charlay would have occupied if he'd joined the break. I kept expecting him to appear in the top corner of the screen but he never did. The attack ended with Betis winning the free kick from which they eventually scored.

It did seem to me that there was enough time for Charlay to make up the ground and join the attack. Perhaps that's true and perhaps he just didn't have the legs for another lung busting run straight after his first but I can't be sure. The camera followed the ball, so exactly what Charlay was doing as the counter swept upfield, I can't say. 

[Atholy 1,293]

 

[lucio 5,418]

he'll be playing on sky spirts 3, 7:30pm this evening

[CJRead 5]

I've watched the last three Real Betis and in each game Charly Musonda has been fantastic, he's naturally gifted and rarely losses possession. A real talent.

He's gone out on loan for 18 months, then has only 2 years left once that deal is up. Given his current performances and room to develop have we made a mistake;

A) Giving him an 18 month loan deal?

B.) Not offering him a new contract before he was loaned out?

Interested to know others opinion.

[Yeboii 1,844]

43 minutes ago, CJRead said:

I've watched the last three Real Betis and in each game Charly Musonda has been fantastic, he's naturally gifted and rarely losses possession. A real talent.

He's gone out on loan for 18 months, then has only 2 years left once that deal is up. Given his current performances and room to develop have we made a mistake;

A) Giving him an 18 month loan deal?

B.) Not offering him a new contract before he was loaned out?

Interested to know others opinion.

If he keeps impressing, he will have a role in the team. Ask Courtois!
2 years is still a long time, and we can extend his contract while all this time (plus the 18 months) are ongoing.

[CJRead 5]

26 minutes ago, Yeboii said:

If he keeps impressing, he will have a role in the team. Ask Courtois!
2 years is still a long time, and we can extend his contract while all this time (plus the 18 months) are ongoing.

A very good point in fairness, I just feel like his lack of game time at CFC *which has been publicly heard* it worries me that we would be crazy enough to accept a bid for him. Time will tell I guess.

[Hamilton 2,120]

He's loaned out for 6 months iirc.. 

 

Betis wants him for another 12 months if they stay in la Liga.

[CJRead 5]

2 hours ago, Hamilton said:

He's loaned out for 6 months iirc.. 

 

Betis wants him for another 12 months if they stay in la Liga.

Initial 6 months yes, but Betis can keep him for next season if they want to, but I do believe that requires consent from Chelsea.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

How the hell did he not play a single game for us....not even in league cup. Mourinho's "10-minute trials" are the biggest joke in world football.

[CJRead 5]

Just now, !Hazard! said:

How the hell did he not play a single game for us....not even in league cup. Mourinho's "10-minute trials" are the biggest joke in world football.

It's weird how John Swift got game time under Mourinho but Musonda didn't. Not knocking the former but Musonda is better.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

9 minutes ago, CJRead said:

It's weird how John Swift got game time under Mourinho but Musonda didn't. Not knocking the former but Musonda is better.

 

Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever. And the only academy product integrated to the first team, Loftus-Cheek, got chances solely because of his physical attributes.

Mourinho is like job recruiters in the 21st century. You need to have a Master's Degree and 10 years of work experience at the age of 20.

[CJRead 5]

Just now, !Hazard! said:

 

Yeah that makes no sense whatsoever. And the only academy product integrated to the first team, Loftus-Cheek, got chances solely because of his physical attributes.

Mourinho is like job recruiters in the 21st century. You need to a Master's Degree and 10 years of work experience at the age on 20.

I'm aware I may get a bad reception for saying this, I love Mourinho but now he's gone at least next season we may see more of the youngsters we've been so desperate to see but Mourinho refused.

I can see why Hiddink isn't playing because he's only here till the end of the season, he want's instant success now.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

8 hours ago, CJRead said:

I'm aware I may get a bad reception for saying this, I love Mourinho but now he's gone at least next season we may see more of the youngsters we've been so desperate to see but Mourinho refused.

I can see why Hiddink isn't playing because he's only here till the end of the season, he want's instant success now.

This may be true of course but I don't think it is. My own view is the youngsters are not getting games because they don't deserve to.

Some evidence of the reason for this difference of opinion between us comes in our assessments of Charlay's displays so far at Betis. I did not see the Gijon game but I saw the performance against Depor and I watched an all touches video of his debut vs Valencia. You feel that he has been fantastic but my respective ratings of those two outings are; OK, for a debut and very ordinary. There is perhaps no point in arguing whose assessment is right since we have both seen what we've seen, and think what we think. It is though some sort of explanation of why we see the bigger picture so differently.

I don't think I watch any less academy football than many around here and suspect that in fact I watch more than most. Even so, I don't share the general clamour that the kids must play. My call is that our kids must get better.

[kiwi1691 255]

He clearly has huge potential, but from what I have seen is still raw. It is better he is on loan getting consistent game time.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

2 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

How the hell did he not play a single game for us....not even in league cup. Mourinho's "10-minute trials" are the biggest joke in world football.

There were times when Charly didn't even get into the side for development squad games, or was subbed when he did. What is more those decisions seemed to me to be justifiable. We must guard against getting carried away. It's not about looking good, it's about being productive.

There is a great deal more I'd like to say about this, and notice I wrote that I thought those decisions were justifiable not that they were correct. To unfold my argument on this however would take a very long post and, though I've been wanting to say it for years, I find that I can never be bothered to get into it. One day maybe.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

By the way, should a mod consider moving all of these posts into Charlay's main thread?