🇪🇸 César Azpilicueta

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Well then same can be said for Ivanovic in your case. Take away last season and a half he played for us.  Arguably top3 RB's in the history of PL. Just EL final goal is more than Azpi gave us. Not to mention Napoli, Liverpool in CL.. For years Iva was best right back in the world with Alves and Maicon. He was leader on the pitch, always offensive threat basically everything Azpi is not. 

Knew that was coming. It's silly to judge the standing of a player based on the number of goals he scores. I don't disagree with you that Ivanovic did give us some of the biggest moments but let's not forget, he was a CB and CB that got moved to RB. As a CB, you're more likely to score goals, especially from corners like the goals you pointed out there. You said Ivanovic was arguably one of the top 3 right backs (which might be an exaggeration)...equally Azpi got considered as one of the best defenders in Premier League by Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, both who were among the best defenders in the league's history. As for Ivanovic being one of the best right backs in the world, let's not exaggerate things (again) and rewrite history here. He may have gotten forward a lot but his end product for a right back was horrendous. I still remember he always hit crosses into players or basically put bad crosses into the box and there were plenty of complaints about this in his thread. I guess it's a sign of how football has changed when goals, stats, numbers trump over consistent, reliable performances.

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18 minutes ago, Jason said:

Knew that was coming. It's silly to judge the standing of a player based on the number of goals he scores. I don't disagree with you that Ivanovic did give us some of the biggest moments but let's not forget, he was a CB and CB that got moved to RB. As a CB, you're more likely to score goals, especially from corners like the goals you pointed out there. You said Ivanovic was arguably one of the top 3 right backs (which might be an exaggeration)...equally Azpi got considered as one of the best defenders in Premier League by Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, both who were among the best defenders in the league's history. As for Ivanovic being one of the best right backs in the world, let's not exaggerate things (again) and rewrite history here. He may have gotten forward a lot but his end product for a right back was horrendous. I still remember he always hit crosses into players or basically put bad crosses into the box and there were plenty of complaints about this in his thread. I guess it's a sign of how football has changed when goals, stats, numbers trump over consistent, reliable performances.

On a pure player level 

I would take prime Branislav over prime Azpi all day long

I dont give a rat's red arse about goals

Ivanović was just a better player

shame he was subjected by a cuntish Mo into playing out of position at the end

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Just now, Vesper said:

On a pure player level 

I would take prime Branislav over prime Azpi all day long

I dont give a rat's red arse about goals

Ivanović was just a better player

shame he was subjected by a cuntish Mo into playing out of position at the end

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4 minutes ago, Jason said:

[Tomo 21,751]

3 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

In terms of legendary status he's nowhere near Ivanovic. 

I disagree, they are both category B (ie the tier behind the old guard, Zola etc).

Criticise Azpi all you want for his decline this season this season or his actions at Wembley, but lets not rewrite history, he's been a fantastic servent and from a defensive and consistentcy POV one of the best we've ever had, possibly the best bar JT.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I disagree, they are both category B (ie the tier behind the old guard, Zola etc).

Criticise Azpi all you want for his decline this season this season or his actions at Wembley, but lets not rewrite history, he's been a fantastic servent and from a defensive and consistentcy POV one of the best we've ever had, possibly the best bar JT.

Azpi was amazing RCB but fuck me on RB Geremi Nijtap is better. 

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Azpi was amazing RCB but fuck me on RB Geremi Nijtap is better. 

He was already slowing down a bit at the back end of last season while playing RCB.

I think his form this season is a decline more than anything, the excessive amount of games down the years has caught up with him.

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9 hours ago, Tomo said:

He was already slowing down a bit at the back end of last season while playing RCB.

I think his form this season is a decline more than anything, the excessive amount of games down the years has caught up with him.

Sarri's open style has certainly contributed to Azpi's struggles this season (looked better when we defended deeper in last two games) and it certainly doesn't help that Sarri appears to have frozen Zappacosta out and is playing Azpi in every game, even the Europa League. 

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Wow, such a lot of Azpilicueta hate.

Yes - I agree, I think that, for the large part, he has been quite poor in general this season. He seems to be exposed for pace time and time again, though I don't think that the formation helps in that regard, as it's the quick opposition turnover where they exploit the same behind the full-backs that kills us time and time again. The Kepa incident also demonstrated his worrying lack of leadership skills. Let's face it, Cahill would have marched Kepa off of the pitch, he wouldn't have stood for such insubordination. Terry would have probably torn him a new arsehole. 

But I don't think one below-par season should tarnish his reputation. Let's not forget, that for the past few seasons he's been playing predominantly as a CB, and then on occasion a RWB. It's a complete positional change for him. As a full-back, he is probably a square peg in a round hole, as his offensive contribution is lacklustre. He can't cross at all well, apart from when he seems to be in a bit of space in a deeper position, floating a ball in. He can't beat a man, and his crosses from the byline are woeful. You have to give him some sympathy, as he is at least performing manfully, there's never a half-hearted contributed from Azpilicueta. He deserves a fair whack of criticism, granted, but the bloke looks exhausted and playing him every single game in a high-pressure system isn't going to be helpful. He's getting older, and the years of playing match after match look like they've caught up. Like @Jason just said, he's working better in a deeper defensive block, and if Sarri has any sense, he'll continue with that lower press for the remainder of the season, as those past two games (City and Spurs) are where we've looked as good as we have in months. 

[lucio 5,418]

is there a more uninspiring sight in world football than him running forward to join the attack?

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5 hours ago, lucio said:

is there a more uninspiring sight in world football than him running forward to join the attack?

Only one. 

Seeing the matchday lineup from the CFC official twitter with Alonso as a starter.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Before that penalty his performance was worse than Alonso's....which is saying a lot.

 

29 going on 40. Get rid.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

I don't care what people say but his not good enough for Chelsea. I would get rid of him in the summer transfer ban or not

[Alabama 1,992]

Bring back James Reece... 

Azpi is done asap fullback.... 

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36 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Before that penalty his performance was worse than Alonso's....which is saying a lot.

 

29 going on 40. Get rid.

He was doing great in a 3cb system... so were Luiz and Alonso....

perhaps manager is forcing the wrong system for the players he’s got?

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1 hour ago, Robchels said:

He was doing great in a 3cb system... so were Luiz and Alonso....

perhaps manager is forcing the wrong system for the players he’s got?

you are  looking at 2016-17

2017-18 tells a different story

he is 30yo from next season on

he is only going to get worse as a fullback

time to sell him NOW

thanks for the memories Azpi, but we need the present, not the past

plus we need to break up the Spanish contingent

they are already a poison

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13 minutes ago, Vesper said:

you are  looking at 2016-17

2017-18 tells a different story

he is 30yo from next season on

he is only going to get worse as a fullback

time to sell him NOW

thanks for the memories Azpi, but we need the present, not the past

plus we need to break up the Spanish contingent

they are already a poison

Perhaps, but 30yo CB is only starting his prime years... That would also open the RWB to a midfielder type, say Pedro/Moses for ex.

Considering the transfer ban, they are not going anywhere, so it's really up to the manager to use them in their best position. If that means switching to 3 in the back, so be it. 

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11 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Perhaps, but 30yo CB is only starting his prime years.

not to be rude, but that is pure rot

this isn't the 1970's and 80's (and before) anymore

and we are not in Serie A

Azpi is only going to get worse and worse

he is spent

time to sell! especially if we win the non-deferral appeal and have a 2019 summer window

[nyikolajevics 2,700]

In Spain's national team Dave played CB in a four-men-defense, under Ernesto Valverde I think. Anyone seen him? Do you think it's possible? He is not quick enough to be a great threat at attack or to handle 19-20 year old boys running around him, but he is a great fighter and a good defender. He is 1,78m, the size of Carles Puyol, who was a real pain in the asss despite of his   size and won everyting.

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2 minutes ago, nyikolajevics said:

In Spain's national team Dave played CB in a four-men-defense, under Ernesto Valverde I think. Anyone seen him? Do you think it's possible? He is not quick enough to be a great threat at attack or to handle 19-20 year old boys running around him, but he is a great fighter and a good defender. He is 1,78m, the size of Carles Puyol, who was a real pain in the asss despite of his   size and won everyting.

his defence has been shit lately

if we are not going to play a back 3 (and even then maybe)

OUT

he offers nothing of league winning, CL challenging play at this point

no sentimentality from moi at this shambolic point