Oscar

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

LMAO

Beat me to it, I see.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

I'll trust one of the best midfielders opinion over some no marks on a football forum. The fact you easily dismiss his opinion says it all.

Unreal tournament. Oscar in full confidence is a joy to watch. Was unbelievable that summer.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

"I really like Oscar . I think he just needs to trust himself more because he is a player out of the ordinary. He could be very different than what he is playing today. For me he's the Selecao's most important player." - Deco

Man definitely knows his football. Shame Oscar's manager openly slags him off despite the fact he would be way ahead in his developmental curve under a more progressive manager.

Mourinho sold Chelsea's best player for 2 years in a row, absolutely convinced Oscar was his best number 10, he downed tools after 6 months of that season and apart from a brief spell this season he has never hit that consistency or really improved since. How is that Jose's fault? Really looking forward to your reply because Jose worked with players like Sneidjer and Ozil who were brilliant #10s and they definitely progressed under him despite playing in counter attack orientated teams. Are you still going to complain about Jose when we win the league?

Also the thing about us needing to play with more adventure? Like Brazil when they got demolished by Germany? Ronaldo, Oscar, Deco how many titles have they won as managers....?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Yeah, you heard it here folks! Despite awful after awful performances, Mourinho is to blame for the failings of Oscar. He's of course, holding him back. Of course, it's all Jose's fault! Who else could possibly be to blame? It's true Mourinho is to blame........For consistently giving this player a platform to bottle it and let the fans down.

Of course, the evidence used to support this ludicrous claim is some Mickey Mouse tournament in London. I wonder why Hazard for example, a player of similar age to Oscar and who was bought in the same transfer window as Oscar is also struggling under Mourinho. If anything, Mourinho has given Oscar more opportunities than any other player to prove himself but consistently shows that he's simply not good enough. Oscar was riding on Fabregas' coattails eariler this season, but now that the latter isn't performing at the same level, Oscar has become his average self. It's not his fault, he's just not good enough and has hardly developed as a player after almost 3 seasons at the club.

Oscar goes on international break and plays well in some Mickey Mouse, uncompetitve friendly that no player takes seriously and people like Gilvorak wank themselves silly over it. Perhaps guys like Gilvorak need to "learn football" (like he told me a few weeks ago) instead of making asinine claims about one of the best managers of all time, who is about to WIN US THE LEAGUE in order to take blame off a player who isn't really all that to begin with. Oscar has taken a vacation at the most vital part of our season. Like he did last season. And the season before that as well, under RDM and Benitez, before Mourinho. He's bottled it time and time again and let us down. But no, let's blame Jose, the guy who is about to win us the league for the 3rd time. And it's perhaps that that irks me the most from some of our fans. Simply amazing. Shame on such fans.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

"I really like Oscar . I think he just needs to trust himself more because he is a player out of the ordinary. He could be very different than what he is playing today. For me he's the Selecao's most important player." - Deco

Man definitely knows his football. Shame Oscar's manager openly slags him off despite the fact he would be way ahead in his developmental curve under a more progressive manager.

Borderline RAWK levels of delusion.

[didierforever 7,349]

atlast jose is doing something about the situation.

"not good enough" - simple as that.

[tiby2979 175]

I have interpreted otherwise the Mourinho's comments on Oscar.

1- He didn't say Oscar is not good enough, said it was not good enough. That "was" indicates that he was referring to his performance in this match, not to his quality as player.
2- When asked about the bad performance of Oscar Mourinho tell that his performance not was bad rather it was not good enough. So, in fact, he was defending it.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

I have interpreted otherwise the Mourinho's comments on Oscar.

1- He didn't say Oscar is not good enough, said it was not good enough. That "was" indicates that he was referring to his performance in this match, not to his quality as player.

2- When asked about the bad performance of Oscar Mourinho tell that his performance not was bad rather it was not good enough. So, in fact, he was defending it.

That's Willian starting in his place next match then... I'd like to see Oscar on the wing and Willian in the middle for once.

[Jase 43,479]

Ashton, the shit stirring cunt is back at it again. Oscar "stood up" to Mourinho because we didn't play with a "sense of adventure" and as a result, he's seen his minutes reduced since January.

Maybe, just maybe there's a simpler explanation Neil. Maybe Oscar has simply been shit and his ability as a footballer grossly overstated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3029346/Chelsea-midfielder-Oscar-learning-hard-way-taken-Jose-Mourinho-off.html

Indeed and nearly choked upon reading this part...

It was Oscar, after all, who is so highly-regarded by the coaching staff at Chelsea that he was considered a potential, future rival to the annual duel between Lionel Messi and Ronaldo for the Ballon d’Or.

No disrespect but that is just pure

[Joker10 946]

Reading some people posts can be so nauseating.

Just because one thinks Oscar can do better under another manager and in another situation, doesn't mean no attacking player can progress under Mou or impress. Some attacking players have impresed under Mou and plenty players have had an adverse effect while working under him. It would be foolish to only remember the players that have excelled under Mou like Hazard and forget the players that have regreted their time under him.

I can name plenty of players that have been underwhelming under Mou, but better under different managers. Don't have to look further then Mata and KDB, how did they do under Mou? We know how good Mata was, he was 2X Chelsea POTY, and KDB is arguably Bundesliga POTY right now.

Lets stop putting Mou in some crazy unbearable pedestal. I respect Mou and all of his achomplishments, but i would be a fool to think he is perfect manager or a great manager in every situation. He certainly has his faults. Some of you are soundling like Liverpool fans when Kenny Dalglish was in charge of their club, completely unbearable.

Borderline RAWK levels of delusion.

Maybe you should read his posts again, nothing delusional about it. Lets look at it together in fact.

"I really like Oscar . I think he just needs to trust himself more because he is a player out of the ordinary. He could be very different than what he is playing today. For me he's the Selecao's most important player." - Deco

Man definitely knows his football. Shame Oscar's manager openly slags him off despite the fact he would be way ahead in his developmental curve under a more progressive manager.

Deco comments- Deco is one of the finest midfielders of his generation, i would not dismiss his comments easily. I would certainly listen to a player who has played the same position at the highest level and with his accolades.

Oscar manager slags him off- That is true. If there is one thing i don't like about Mou on a personal level is how he slags off his players and always blames others when things get tough. I remember in his first spell how Mou threw Ballack and Sheva under the bus when he was going through his toughest moments at Chelsea. What does he do at Madrid? Pretty much the same, i would say more players in that locker room hated him more then they liked him. Oh can't forget how he blamed the refs or yelled controversy at every chance.

Lastly Oscar can do better under another manager? There is certainly a lot of evidence.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I swear, the fact that I keep clicking on this thread is just undeniable proof that I have a sadistic urge to keep torturing my self!

[Tomo 21,751]

Reading some people posts can be so nauseating.

Just because one thinks Oscar can do better under another manager and in another situation, doesn't mean no attacking player can progress under Mou or impress. Some attacking players have impresed under Mou and plenty players have had an adverse effect while working under him. It would be foolish to only remember the players that have excelled under Mou like Hazard and forget the players that have regreted their time under him.

I can name plenty of players that have been underwhelming under Mou, but better under different managers. Don't have to look further then Mata and KDB, how did they do under Mou? We know how good Mata was, he was 2X Chelsea POTY, and KDB is arguably Bundesliga POTY right now.

Lets stop putting Mou in some crazy unbearable pedestal. I respect Mou and all of his achomplishments, but i would be a fool to think he is perfect manager or a great manager in every situation. He certainly has his faults. Some of you are soundling like Liverpool fans when Kenny Dalglish was in charge of their club, completely unbearable.

Maybe you should read his posts again, nothing delusional about it. Lets look at it together in fact.

Deco comments- Deco is one of the finest midfielders of his generation, i would not dismiss his comments easily. I would certainly listen to a player who has played the same position at the highest level and with his accolades.

Oscar manager slags him off- That is true. If there is one thing i don't like about Mou on a personal level is how he slags off his players and always blames others when things get tough. I remember in his first spell how Mou threw Ballack and Sheva under the bus when he was going through his toughest moments at Chelsea. What does he do at Madrid? Pretty much the same, i would say more players in that locker room hated him more then they liked him. Oh can't forget how he blamed the refs or yelled controversy at every chance.

Lastly Oscar can do better under another manager? There is certainly a lot of evidence.

Dalglish like Mourinho are club legends for Pool and Chelsea respectively and have done so much for their clubs, of course they will get more leeway by supporters than compared to Hodgson and Scolari for example.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

Reading some people posts can be so nauseating.

Just because one thinks Oscar can do better under another manager and in another situation, doesn't mean no attacking player can progress under Mou or impress. Some attacking players have impresed under Mou and plenty players have had an adverse effect while working under him. It would be foolish to only remember the players that have excelled under Mou like Hazard and forget the players that have regreted their time under him.

I can name plenty of players that have been underwhelming under Mou, but better under different managers. Don't have to look further then Mata and KDB, how did they do under Mou? We know how good Mata was, he was 2X Chelsea POTY, and KDB is arguably Bundesliga POTY right now.

Lets stop putting Mou in some crazy unbearable pedestal. I respect Mou and all of his achomplishments, but i would be a fool to think he is perfect manager or a great manager in every situation. He certainly has his faults. Some of you are soundling like Liverpool fans when Kenny Dalglish was in charge of their club, completely unbearable.

Maybe you should read his posts again, nothing delusional about it. Lets look at it together in fact.

Deco comments- Deco is one of the finest midfielders of his generation, i would not dismiss his comments easily. I would certainly listen to a player who has played the same position at the highest level and with his accolades.

Oscar manager slags him off- That is true. If there is one thing i don't like about Mou on a personal level is how he slags off his players and always blames others when things get tough. I remember in his first spell how Mou threw Ballack and Sheva under the bus when he was going through his toughest moments at Chelsea. What does he do at Madrid? Pretty much the same, i would say more players in that locker room hated him more then they liked him. Oh can't forget how he blamed the refs or yelled controversy at every chance.

Lastly Oscar can do better under another manager? There is certainly a lot of evidence.

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[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Reading some people posts can be so nauseating.

Just because one thinks Oscar can do better under another manager and in another situation, doesn't mean no attacking player can progress under Mou or impress. Some attacking players have impresed under Mou and plenty players have had an adverse effect while working under him. It would be foolish to only remember the players that have excelled under Mou like Hazard and forget the players that have regreted their time under him.

I can name plenty of players that have been underwhelming under Mou, but better under different managers. Don't have to look further then Mata and KDB, how did they do under Mou? We know how good Mata was, he was 2X Chelsea POTY, and KDB is arguably Bundesliga POTY right now.

Lets stop putting Mou in some crazy unbearable pedestal. I respect Mou and all of his achomplishments, but i would be a fool to think he is perfect manager or a great manager in every situation. He certainly has his faults. Some of you are soundling like Liverpool fans when Kenny Dalglish was in charge of their club, completely unbearable.

Maybe you should read his posts again, nothing delusional about it. Lets look at it together in fact.

Deco comments- Deco is one of the finest midfielders of his generation, i would not dismiss his comments easily. I would certainly listen to a player who has played the same position at the highest level and with his accolades.

Oscar manager slags him off- That is true. If there is one thing i don't like about Mou on a personal level is how he slags off his players and always blames others when things get tough. I remember in his first spell how Mou threw Ballack and Sheva under the bus when he was going through his toughest moments at Chelsea. What does he do at Madrid? Pretty much the same, i would say more players in that locker room hated him more then they liked him. Oh can't forget how he blamed the refs or yelled controversy at every chance.

Lastly Oscar can do better under another manager? There is certainly a lot of evidence.

So it's Mourinho's fault now ?

He gave Oscar all the trust in the world. You mention KDB and Mata but they're both nr 10's who were forced to play RW to accommodate Oscar.

Right from the start he said Oscar was his number 10. Mourinho gave him 2 years of first team football, where he was the undisputed nr 10, yet he hasn't progressed at all as a player.

Oscar was given every opportunity to succeed but didn't take it. The blame rests with him and him alone.

What Deco thinks/says really doesn't matter at all.

He probably will play better under another manager but that will have little to do with the manager and more to do with the weaker league and weaker club he'll be playing in.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

I'll trust one of the best midfielders opinion over some no marks on a football forum. The fact you easily dismiss his opinion says it all.

Unreal tournament. Oscar in full confidence is a joy to watch. Was unbelievable that summer.

Everyone knows he can be good. But when you're only performing for a quarter of the season, even if it's on Messi level, you can't be considered a dependable player.