Oscar

[TheIceMan 596]

WTF! Is this the Oscar thread or what?!?

[Tomo 21,733]

WTF! Is this the Oscar thread or what?!?

Sometimes threads can go off topic, it will be an nuisance to just go to the right topic every time for the sake of consistency.

It never sits right with me when we are told to get back on topic immediately, eventually everything will return to natural order, but sometimes interesting debates can happen in unexpected places and it would be a shame to just drop it.

[TheIceMan 596]

Sometimes threads can go off topic, it will be an nuisance to just go to the right topic every time for the sake of consistency.

It never sits right with me when we are told to get back on topic immediately, eventually everything will return to natural order, but sometimes interesting debates can happen in unexpected places and it would be a shame to just drop it.

Sure! So you like to be a bit of a rebell Yeah?

[Myself 793]

imo based on the last few seasons the best strikers in the world are (in no particular order)

costa

suarez

aguero

ronaldo

higauin (keep in mind that he's playing for a significantly weaker team)

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Sometimes threads can go off topic, it will be an nuisance to just go to the right topic every time for the sake of consistency.

It never sits right with me when we are told to get back on topic immediately, eventually everything will return to natural order, but sometimes interesting debates can happen in unexpected places and it would be a shame to just drop it.

Agreed. Now, get back on topic!

[Oscar 441]

imo based on the last few seasons the best strikers in the world are (in no particular order)

costa

suarez

aguero

ronaldo

higauin (keep in mind that he's playing for a significantly weaker team)

If ronaldo is there, than both neymar and messi should be as well.

[Oscar 441]

If the pogba transfer if true, Juventus will have a ton of money to reinvest in players.

So far, dybala and Manzudic are both good transfers in... It allows dybala to play off of manzudic and for morata to play supersub...

Both Pirlo and Tevez are gone, Pereyra was a loanee and Pogba might be sold.... Leaving 3 starting spots opened next season for juventus...

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

Madness

Lucas Ornaghi, cousin of Chelsea midfielder Oscar was found dead earlier today, close to Santa Bárbara d' Oeste in the interior of Sāo Paulo state.

The 19-year-old had been reported missing to police yesterday afternoon after failing to arrive at work in the morning. Police say the cause of death may have been a motorcycle accident, but have not yet ruled out homicide. Today would have been Lucas’s 20th birthday.

On his official Facebook profile, Oscar lamented his loss: ‘The whole family cannot believe it. We are very sad, but we know that you are in a better place and we know that your loved ones are with you. I love you cousin and today was your day, congratulations on your 20 years!!’

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, comparing JT with Oscar when it comes to minutes spent on the pitch is erroneous.

fair enough

Oscar has the second most demanding job on the pitch beside Matic. Oscar is the one who presses primarily, tracks back, and is part of the attack, be it counter or build-up. Meanwhile, JT is the most protected player on the pitch. He has Azpi tucked in beside him at all time to ensure that he is never isolated, he has Matic in front of him, and Courtois behind him, a keeper that covers an immense amount of ground. For more than 70% of those minuts, JT is just idling by, watching the game. While Oscar is busting his ass.

not even close. cesc does as much work. iva and azpi do as much work. willian is definitely the person who does the most defending and covering considering iva;s position. as i said, fair point about JT but oscar is a 21-24 year old during this period. JT was 31-34. that has to count for something too. and its not just about JT. in the last 2 years oscar has averaged way less minutes than both willian and hazard, and i am pretty sure matic, iva would too.

The only player to compare with Oscar in terms of output is Matic, but we all know Matic is a beast, a one of a kind DM with a massive engine, but even he, a monster, was drained and on dead legs as the season came to a close. What chance does Oscar have?

We play a system that demands so much of outfield players. There is a reason JT is still out there, and he himself admitted that it wouldn't be so if it weren't for the amount of work the midfielders put into the game.

sorry, but not buying it. willian does more work.

We need a viable backup to Oscar. Cesc and Willian are not it. Jose pretty much ran the team into the ground in trying to win the EPL as early as possible. Some players like Oscar fell first, then Cesc, and then lastly Matic. But they all fell. It's unsustainable the demands, and we need viable backups. Turan is one for Oscar, and I hope we get one for Matic and Cesc, someone that can partner either when the other is rested.

time and again willian has shown himself to be not just a good replacement but a better player than oscar. his form from jan-may is proof to that. he has been absolutely wonderful many times when played through the center.

[RhesusReus 219]

fair enough

not even close. cesc does as much work. iva and azpi do as much work. willian is definitely the person who does the most defending and covering considering iva;s position. as i said, fair point about JT but oscar is a 21-24 year old during this period. JT was 31-34. that has to count for something too. and its not just about JT. in the last 2 years oscar has averaged way less minutes than both willian and hazard, and i am pretty sure matic, iva would too.

sorry, but not buying it. willian does more work.

time and again willian has shown himself to be not just a good replacement but a better player than oscar. his form from jan-may is proof to that. he has been absolutely wonderful many times when played through the center.

First of all, Willian is not a better player than Oscar. Putting in a defensive shift and the odd goal doesn't make him better. If we are to compare them as #10's, which is the main point, Willian is far inferior. If you watched Sky Sports broadcasts you would have picked up on Gary Neville's analysis in game against Liescter and Crystal Palace about how Willian is ineffective inside, in tight areas, and is only really effective when he can make runs from deep midfield down the channels.

In this system, Oscar is the superior #10.

As for work rate. Willian puts in a shift, but it's not comparable to the pressing Oscar provides. Just watch the Arsenal game at home and you will see time and time again Oscar clearing the ball on the edge of our penalty box.

Running up and down, like Willian, is different from pressing in the center of the field, where you have to continuously change direction. Lateral movement and changing direction wears you down like no one's business.

[bluesman2610 1,341]

Damn that has gotta be tough on the lad, about his cousin , It seems that he and his cousin were close . Hopefully the results of the investigation can come quickly so his family can have closure

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, Willian is not a better player than Oscar. Putting in a defensive shift and the odd goal doesn't make him better. If we are to compare them as #10's, which is the main point, Willian is far inferior. If you watched Sky Sports broadcasts you would have picked up on Gary Neville's analysis in game against Liescter and Crystal Palace about how Willian is ineffective inside, in tight areas, and is only really effective when he can make runs from deep midfield down the channels.

In this system, Oscar is the superior #10.

As for work rate. Willian puts in a shift, but it's not comparable to the pressing Oscar provides. Just watch the Arsenal game at home and you will see time and time again Oscar clearing the ball on the edge of our penalty box.

Running up and down, like Willian, is different from pressing in the center of the field, where you have to continuously change direction. Lateral movement and changing direction wears you down like no one's business.

i thought oscar's USP in our system was his "defensive workrate" not his goals. if his goals are his best point then they too are not that impressive to be honest.

you are talking about willian's ineffectiveness in tight areas when comparing to oscar? really?

i am sorry, but i simply cant believe oscar in the superior #10 after what i have seen for the past season.

arsenal home game was probably the best game of the season for oscar. in that case, go on and watch willian's workrate, speed, acceleration, countering attacking prowess when chelsea played city at etihad in 13-14 season. the job he did on yaya. he was simply brilliiant that night. but we are not talking about the best games here. in general, you see willian covering for iva. you see willian closing down opposing wingers/fullbacks while iva is standing far off with his hands behind his back.

fair enough. that is true. but dont know how much of it is only on oscar. oscar is not the only midfielder that presses. infact how many times have we seen willian making an insane sprint when the defenders pass the ball back to the opposing GK (it not only shows willian's pressing but also the fact that he is there there abouts in position with oscar, which makes your lateral movement point void).

people often bring up oscar "importance" to the system. how he provides "balance". it is so weird that some of our best and most balanced performances have been made with oscar not in the team (stoke away this season and city away last season). infact most of the attributes -pace, acceleration, dribbling, defensive workrate along with defensive prowess (kane goal for spurs and many more such moments), point to willian. oscar is miles ahead in terms of the final product and the finish, but for overall play willian is a better player.

[The Skipper 20,593]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

[Oscar 441]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

Willian is by far a better dribbler than Oscar.

Oscar has better goals in him than Willian.

WIllian has better physical than Oscar in almost everything; strength, speed, agility, etc

Oscar is tactically a better player as a n10 than willian.

However, Oscar presses a lot better than Willian, even though Willian is faster, has better stamina and stronger...

I think Willian is a lot better than what has been seen in a chelsea jersey, but I think at their best, Oscar is still better.

[Oscar 441]

I hope Jose keeps the 4 brazilians on the team. Without them, the team would be exposed so badly with their lack of speed/atleticism.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Since Oscar disscussion is in every other damn topic, this one should disscuss all the general talk about everything. It would make perfect TC sense.

[iseah100 5,612]

Madness

Lucas Ornaghi, cousin of Chelsea midfielder Oscar was found dead earlier today, close to Santa Bárbara d' Oeste in the interior of Sāo Paulo state.

The 19-year-old had been reported missing to police yesterday afternoon after failing to arrive at work in the morning. Police say the cause of death may have been a motorcycle accident, but have not yet ruled out homicide. Today would have been Lucas’s 20th birthday.

On his official Facebook profile, Oscar lamented his loss: ‘The whole family cannot believe it. We are very sad, but we know that you are in a better place and we know that your loved ones are with you. I love you cousin and today was your day, congratulations on your 20 years!!’

That is awful.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

As a number 10 Willian is superior/at least on par with Oscar on everything bar finishing/killer instinct in the final third IMO. That simple.

Technical ability on the ball is not even close. Oscar is one of the best in the league in that department. Oscar is also superior in footballing intelligence.