🇧🇷 Oscar

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Most of his assists in his first season were for Torres actually.

Again he's improved defensively and is much more consistent than in his first season but offensively he's virtually still the same player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g1hs-Cxjno

I think under someone like Pep, Rodgers, Wenger or Ancelotti his all round game could be improved on even further. At Lille he used to be their main playmaker and then really the quality of his general passing was visible (even more so than his dribbling ability). Hazard plays differently a little differently now, more efficiently in terms of passing percentages but takes less risks and chances.

His passing is good but he isn't creating chances on that scale or even the likes of ,KDB, Ozil and Cesc.

Goalscoring wise, he's improved a bit but not significantly. His long range shooting has actually become much worse and he still doesn't make enough runs into the box.

The thing is, because we're not a possession style team, hazard touches the ball less than other teams.

For example, Ronaldo can afford to try to shoot from distance everytime because he knows he'll get the ball again very soon. But since we average 55% possession and even 43% against big teams, it means hazard sees the ball 20-30 times less than other attacking players so he has more chances to miss, more chances to dribble, more chances to assist.

Edit:

I don't know if you understood what I meant

[illmatic 901]

It's not a blame of Mourinho that this guy don´t make any difference, his only blame is to put him in a big matches when is clear that this guy don't contribute a lot. He is young? Yes, but with the enough age for make any difference on the field. He is not enough for be headline in team like Chelsea and Less in a big games.

[Barbara 15,149]

But but but but but Coutinho can't tackle and does not track the goalkeeper

I am not a fan of either Oscar or Willian, but to say that they lack skill is not fair IMO. Willian's ball control is immaculate. Both are capable of backheel assists and exceptional strikes and all that fancy bullshit you expect from Brazilians. They just don't do it effectively and on a consistent basis. They lack the determination and grit to impose themselves on a game, even if they have shown they can on occasions.

you made me laugh so hard with that

priceless. cheers, mate

[Reddish-Blue 2,503]

Pretty much what I've been trying to get across. We're basically using limited knowledge and calling it fact and force feeding our opinions as the teams philosophy upon each other.

I thought the whole point of any forum was to call your opinion a fact and share it amongst each other...

[Barbara 15,149]

I thought the whole point of any forum was to call your opinion a fact and share it amongst each other...

I don't think an opinion should be turned into a fact anywhere, not even a forum, because those are very two different things.

Why not handle opinions like opinions? I don't think anyone even made a fact out of an opinion regarding Oscar...

There's a common understanding among most members of this forum, and that's fine, but I don't see anyone claiming it's a fact.

Opinions turned to facts are more Fabregas' situation... it is a fact he's a big game chocker and second half of season flop for many people here. It's not even their opinion, they simply inherited it from Barça fans. That's when I think people turn opinions into facts and that's problematic to me no matter the context, the place and the general understanding.

As for Oscar, is just an overwhelming agreement about his status and position at Chelsea.

[termninja 5,290]

I feel Italy would suit Oscar really well. An exchange deal for Pogba would be brilliant for us. And it actually seems possible honestly.

[Jase 43,479]

I feel Italy would suit Oscar really well. An exchange deal for Pogba would be brilliant for us. And it actually seems possible honestly.

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

[LAM09 7,051]

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

I think Juve could go after him if they lose Pogba. He has age on his side to improve and become more consistent.

[Oscar 441]

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

Real Madrid was after Oscar when he was in brazil as was barcelona.

Psg was after him and hazard last season.

Juventus might be after him this season.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Well, I think he is doing okay in the overall first half against PSG. I don't know what the fussed is all about this week.

[Dion 2,476]

Real Madrid was after Oscar when he was in brazil as was barcelona.

Psg was after him and hazard last season.

Juventus might be after him this season.

But to be honest Oscar was playing better back then. He's improved a bit defensively but seems to have regressed in every other department. Most people have short memories but he used to outperform Neymar regularly in our NT. And I don't mean like in 1 game every 5, but really all the time. He used to be the best player in the team by far. He's never played to that level with us but he's never been this far from his best level either. Not even when he had just got promoted to São Paulo's first team. And he doesn't even have those kind of performances for the NT anymore. Also, every time he takes a dip in performance at one point in the season his good performance level becomes actually a performance when he didn't play like shit, not when he's actually played well. In his first season with us I can even remember a few times when he dribbled past several players, now he can't even seem to control the ball. It's almost like he's turned into another player. Baffling.

Just for comparison, some highlights from Oscar from the times of his first season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srPfezr8Ni0

2:16, for example, he has a good first touch in a difficult ball, dribbles past his marker and scores. Now I'd struggle to see him showcasing a single one of those skills, never mind all three of them in the same play.

[Reddish-Blue 2,503]

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

Maybe other teams believe that Oscar would be a good fit into their tactical system?

[Styles 9,790]

Real Madrid was after Oscar when he was in brazil as was barcelona.

Psg was after him and hazard last season.

Juventus might be after him this season.

Yeah, right. Oscar does not have the necessary skills to play for other elite teams. He would struggle to even make the bench.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

Let's not make him some substandard pub-player. Our system of play is specific in that our players endures more of individual duels. Especially against bigger teams our offensive players, through our approach, are isolated to very big extent. Just look how Diego Costa can't cope with it, Salah, Schurrle, Fabregas I think it will be the same with Cuadrado. Oscar of course too. Our system just require a fantastic individual skills to keep the ball from such a huge pressure every time, only Hazard possess that skills and Willian to some extend. That's why I would like to upgrade from Oscar to some brilliant technique and strong on his feet type who would cope with that demands. Koke for example.

Oscar is good/very good player. He has 50 caps already for Brazil at the age of 23. That alone can fetch big sum. Personally think that he would fit in many teams. Unfortunately, he doesn't possess pressing resistant technique so he always will struggle with our approach against bigger teams.

He would thrive in other league and in other team. Juventus for example. Hell, I think even in Bayern when he could use his intelligence, Pep would figure out how to fits him into the system. He has many skill sets which are very good.

Also winter breaks would do him good.

[Polo7 3,496]

Prediction for the future.

Oscar goes to another league.

Scores 10 goals and gets 20 assists.

People come back to this thread and moan about how crap of a manager Mourinho is.

Rinse and repeat for any underachieving player currently in our squad.

[stroey 2,525]

Prediction for the future.

Oscar goes to another league.

Scores 10 goals and gets 20 assists.

People come back to this thread and moan about how crap of a manager Mourinho is.

Rinse and repeat for any underachieving player currently in our squad.

If that's the case, so be it and good for him. It's not like he didn't receive enough chances here. He was the only attacking mid who played in his strongest position and got a lot of chances despite under performing. Schurrle never had a run in LW with our strongest team, Mata didn't get chances at 10 cause that position was granted to Oscar. Salah and KDB barely had any playing time.

[Styles 9,790]

If that's the case, so be it and good for him. It's not like he didn't receive enough chances here. He was the only attacking mid who played in his strongest position and got a lot of chances despite under performing. Schurrle never had a run in LW with our strongest team, Mata didn't get chances at 10 cause that position was granted to Oscar. Salah and KDB barely had any playing time.

Willian isn't getting a chance at a position(s) that suits him better either.

[Jase 43,479]

LAM09, on 15 Mar 2015 - 10:32 AM, said:

I think Juve could go after him if they lose Pogba. He has age on his side to improve and become more consistent.

If that really was the case, we wouldn't be sitting here right now and talking about selling Oscar.

Oscar, on 15 Mar 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

Real Madrid was after Oscar when he was in brazil as was barcelona.

Psg was after him and hazard last season.

Juventus might be after him this season.

Like you said, 'was'. Anyone who has watched Oscar in the 3 years here will know that he will give a few good performances in the first half of the season and then go AWOL in the second. He's done nothing really 'WOW' in recent times to suggest a big club would want to get him. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about selling him right now.

Reddish-Blue, on 15 Mar 2015 - 2:36 PM, said:

Maybe other teams believe that Oscar would be a good fit into their tactical system?

Just like us, think they would want a player who can fit into a tactical system but also produce the goods in the final third.

Blue Colored Sky, on 15 Mar 2015 - 4:47 PM, said:

Let's not make him some substandard pub-player. Our system of play is specific in that our players endures more of individual duels. Especially against bigger teams our offensive players, through our approach, are isolated to very big extent. Just look how Diego Costa can't cope with it, Salah, Schurrle, Fabregas I think it will be the same with Cuadrado. Oscar of course too. Our system just require a fantastic individual skills to keep the ball from such a huge pressure every time, only Hazard possess that skills and Willian to some extend. That's why I would like to upgrade from Oscar to some brilliant technique and strong on his feet type who would cope with that demands. Koke for example.

Oscar is good/very good player. He has 50 caps already for Brazil at the age of 23. That alone can fetch big sum. Personally think that he would fit in many teams. Unfortunately, he doesn't possess pressing resistant technique so he always will struggle with our approach against bigger teams.

He would thrive in other league and in other team. Juventus for example. Hell, I think even in Bayern when he could use his intelligence, Pep would figure out how to fits him into the system. He has many skill sets which are very good.

Also winter breaks would do him good.

I'm not making him a substandard player by any means. Am only judging him on the performances he has given us since 2012. You can point to the tactical side of things but that can't be used as an excuse for his inability to - play simple 5-10 yards passes, pick out teammates inside the box, control the ball properly and not ruin our attacks etc.

[termninja 5,290]

No offence but think people are overly optimistic if they believe the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, PSG etc would want to buy Oscar. We have been moaning for ages about his deficiencies and weaknesses and suddenly people think others would be interested in him? Pretty sure those big clubs are not blind and can see the problems with him as well.

Non taken.

I agree with you, PSG, Real, Bayern and Barca won't be interested. But I doubt Juve is in that group. They still remember how he kicked their ass in the CL few seasons ago, and after seeing Salah eat lighting and crapping thunder, they will sniff around for sure. Pirlo is 35, Marchisio 29, Pogba and Vidal could leave...they could use a midfielder. If I was in their position, and Pogba was looking to leave, and would focus my effort in trying to steal Oscar from Chelsea and still earn some money, simple as that.

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Dear Oscar,

What exactly do you do for the team? I am dumbfounded.

From me.