Viper22 2,418 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hes still young, and knackered after such a long run of games I agree. Not sure we can afford to bench him though. Maybe drop him into CM to play as a DLP for a while? That would put a bit more impetus into our attack and also put less pressure on him at 10. Then we could play Matic/Oscar in CM and Hazard/Schurrle/Willian in AM. Would that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 He's not the most creative of players and that is a problem. His assist record isn't good enough and he needs to improve on it. The problem I find with Oscar is there's nothing he does that is specifically outstanding. He works really hard and that works in his favor but on the ball hes not a particularly good dribbler or creative force, hes got a decent shot on him. Alex made a really good point though he does need a rest and that's clear for us to see. I think we need to start Willian in that area of the pitch soon because he looked dangerous at city with his pace in central areas, we can then have Hazard and Salah on either wing. lionsden and Sheva. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 He's not the most creative of players and that is a problem. His assist record isn't good enough and he needs to improve on it. The problem I find with Oscar is there's nothing he does that is specifically outstanding. He works really hard and that works in his favor but on the ball hes not a particularly good dribbler or creative force, hes got a decent shot on him. Alex made a really good point though he does need a rest and that's clear for us to see. I think we need to start Willian in that area of the pitch soon because he looked dangerous at city with his pace in central areas, we can then have Hazard and Salah on either wing.Movement. His movement is outstanding, imo. But I agree with you, recently, Willian has mostly been better than Oscar at the #10 position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Gilvorak 3,734 Posted February 12, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 12, 2014 Should be dropped in my opinion. Play Willian at #10 and get some games for Schurrle/Salah. The Chels, lionsden, Viper22 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Should be dropped in my opinion. Play Willian at #10 and get some games for Schurrle/Salah.Also the the front 3 of Hazard, willian and shurrle has plenty of workrate and fit into Jose's system. i.e there's no reason not to bench Oscar in favour of that front 3 given his mediocre form of late. Gilvorak, Viper22, The Chels and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think Oscar and Willian are too similar - both are perfect for the high-press system, but neither offers much width (like to play centrally) or is creative enough to get many assists and goals. So I agree with what others have said in that since Willian is playing better, it is he who should continue to play bringing in Salah/Schurrle for Oscar. This will add more width, stretching the play (which is especially important on the Stamford Bridge pitch whose narrowness really hinders our play when breaking down a team, I believe) and overall improving the team's performance against teams that sit back. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He has been terrible since Mata left, he does not create chances for the striker or even for other teammates, im really strugglin to justify his place in the team, what is he bringin to the team that Willian is not?? I would actually play Schurrle more instead of him in the next couple of weeks. guddy6969 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He has been terrible since Mata left, he does not create chances for the striker or even for other teammates, im really strugglin to justify his place in the team, what is he bringin to the team that Willian is not?? I would actually play Schurrle more instead of him in the next couple of weeks. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Yeboii 1,844 Posted February 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 13, 2014 LOL! ummm ok..He does have a legit opinion. It's not like Oscar has been good enough lately. Mufassir08, Beigl, Shaan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guddy6969 200 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 LOL! I agree no LOL from me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted February 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 13, 2014 He has been terrible since Mata left, he does not create chances for the striker or even for other teammates, im really strugglin to justify his place in the team, what is he bringin to the team that Willian is not?? I would actually play Schurrle more instead of him in the next couple of weeks. No he hasn't been 'terrible', he's been inconsistent yes, had some good games and some bad games.He has created chances, surely you remember the Newcastle game where Schurrle and Salah both messed up their clear cut chances? They were created by Oscar. Also in that game he had a lot of good passes.Like I said, he hasn't been amazing, but he hasn't been terrible either.One bad result and people want to throw/sell people from the team, it's getting ridiculous. seanptmiller, Stingray, Viper22 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He has been terrible since Mata left, he does not create chances for the striker or even for other teammates, im really strugglin to justify his place in the team, what is he bringin to the team that Willian is not?? I would actually play Schurrle more instead of him in the next couple of weeks. He has sucked at creating chances the whole season, not just since Mata left, smh. Mufassir08 and Chelsea? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He has sucked at creating chances the whole season, not just since Mata left, smh.He was our best player this season until Hazard decided to wake up...He is indeed inconsistent, but only someone who hasnt watched our games would post he has been terrible or sucked at creating chances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 He was our best player this season until Hazard decided to wake up...He is indeed inconsistent, but only someone who hasnt watched our games would post he has been terrible or sucked at creating chances!What does being the best player have to do with creating chances?Oscar averages 1,4 key passes per game in the PL this season, compared to Hazard's 2,5, Lampard's 1,3 and Ramires 1,2 just to put Oscar's numbers into perspective. As for creating chances, Oscar is just barely better than Ramires which is rather shocking... Mufassir08 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Rmpr 8,977 Posted February 13, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted February 13, 2014 What does being the best player have to do with creating chances?That is pretty self-explanatory.Oscar averages 1,4 key passes per game in the PL this season, compared to Hazard's 2,5, Lampard's 1,3 and Ramires 1,2 just to put Oscar's numbers into perspective.First, how can you define 'key passes'? It is not like anyone is a sacred santity to be able to determine what will fit in the stat and what wont. Second, how does 'key passes' ultimately mean who is creating more chances than whom? Assists and/or dangerous passes are not the only way to create goal opportunities.Oscar is not the flashy kind of player who oozes the little kids, but anyone who actually understands the game can appreciate what he does on the pitch and sense his greatness. One only needs a technical eye to be able to see it, tbh.You simply need to pay attention to see his movement and ability to drag defenders are beyond superb, which facilitates runs for other players (like Hazard). His short 1-2s are also very good and usually result in someone having a bit of free space to continue the play. His inversions are amazing, he is usually the only player in our team who uses them intelligently. He also have an spectacular mid/long range shot (the best in our current starting XI), something that has proven to be of vital importance when facing defensive teams. Etc...And that is because he is not even 100% comfortable with the Premier League (pitch size, type of grass, pace, physicality, etc) to dribble like he can. Many times you see him just stooping in front of a defender and passing to the side, while if he was playing for Brazil he would try to run past the opposition (as you can see in the video of the previous page).Oscar receives way too little credit for the many positive things he does for our attack. It is absurd...As for creating chances, Oscar is just barely better than Ramires which is rather shocking...I dont think you even believe what you just posted in that particular sentence! seanptmiller, CHOULO19, Barbara and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhanaBoy 104 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 A well rested oscar is godly in his play, the new Paulo Roberto Falcao. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 That is pretty self-explanatory.First, how can you define 'key passes'? It is not like anyone is a sacred santity to be able to determine what will fit in the stat and what wont. Second, how does 'key passes' ultimately mean who is creating more chances than whom? Assists and/or dangerous passes are not the only way to create goal opportuniies.Oscar is not the flashy kind of player who oozes the little kids, but anyone who actually understands the game can appreciate what he does on the pitch and sense his greatness. One only needs a technical eye to be able to see it, tbh.You simply need to pay attention to see his movement and ability to drag defenders are beyond superb, which facilitates runs for other players (like Hazard). His short 1-2s are also very good and usually result in someone having a bit of free space to continue the play. His inversions are amazing, he is usually the only player in our team who uses them intelligently. He also have an espectacular mid/long range shot (the best in our current starting XI), something that has proven to be of vital importance when facing defensive teams. Etc...And that is because he is not even 100% confortable with the Premier League (pitch size, type of grass, pace, physicality, etc) to dribble like he can. Many times you see him just stoping in front of a defender and passing to the side, while if he was playing for Brazil he would try to run past the opposition (as you can see in the video of the previous page).He will never be the Hazard/Neymar type of player, but he is the player who actually does the dirty work so the flashy ones can shine!Oscar received way too little credit for the many positive things he does for our attack. It is absurd...I dont think you even believe whay you just posted in that particular sentence!Then there's no reason to bring up a point about who was our best player if we're talking about creating chances...Well, key passes are passes that directly lead to a shot so there is some logic behind it. Off-ball movement is important, yes but if you're praising one single player for his movement then 10 other players have to be praised for their movement, too, as every single one of them is doing their part (occupying a specific part of the pitch or making a run) before a goal scoring opportunity is created. Key passes on the other hand give us the "evidence" as to who is picking the final pass aka directly creating the shot of a teammate.And again I ask, what's the point in bringing up arguments like Oscar not being a flashy player, having a good shot, still adjusting to the PL etc when the talk is about creating chances? I'm no Oscar "hater" or whatever, I appreciate and like his play but there's some flaws in his game and things things he's not good at (yet!) and directly creating chances is one of them.Obviously, his stats could be (and are probably) flawed due to his immense workrate which has had an effect on his fitness resulting in a lack of concentration in the final third, especially when he had Lampard and Ramires behind him and had to cover for them. But whether this assumption is true or not is something we don't really know, but that being said it's definitely gonna be interesting to see how Oscar will work as our no. 10 with a proper double pivot sitting behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgleo 90 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He's not even Spanish, He even doesn't have a beard. Drop him already ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severinb 309 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He still only has 1 PL assist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He still only has 1 PL assist?2 in the league (Eto'o vs Liverpool and Willian vs Southampton) and 5 in all competitions (other 3 came in the Champions League - Ramires's 2nd goal vs Steaua, Torres's 2nd goal vs Schalke and Ba vs Steaua) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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