Oscar

[Yeboii 1,844]

Do agree, for me the biggest reason why Oscar is not playing his best is mainly due to Hazard and especially Mata occupying his space on the pitch. He is struggling to impose himself on the match because of the other two, where with Brazil he has so much freedom and everyone look for him to playmake.

But i still believe the three of them can still work upfront, time can obviously help with that as the three of them can adjust to each other play. But this will also take the right and creative manager to do so.

But he was in the match against QPR, no Hazard or Mata. He had plenty of space but did not do anything extraordinary. Although I think he is a cracking player.

[Joker10 946]

But he was in the match against QPR, no Hazard or Mata. He had plenty of space but did not do anything extraordinary. Although I think he is a cracking player.

That was a shit game and so much wrong with it, won't draw any conclusion from that single game.

[Ramzi 233]

Doesn't it seem like a 4-3-3 is the best formation for our team and Oscar?

-----------Cech----------

Azpi---Ivanovic--Cahill---Cole

-------Luiz-----Ramires--------

-----------Oscar----------------

-----Hazard----Mata----------

--------------Ba-----------------

This seems like it would work for Oscar because he doesn't seem to be ultra composed when he is in the thick of defense like Mata or Hazard but he is above average, his work rate along with Ramires could make our midfield on of the strongest in the league, fits Hazard and Mata because both a better suited for a central role. Only problem would be width, can we trust Luiz to be tactically disciplined and fill in the spots left open by Ashley and Cesar bombing down the wings?

[TrippingStep 336]

Doesn't it seem like a 4-3-3 is the best formation for our team and Oscar?

-----------Cech----------

Azpi---Ivanovic--Cahill---Cole

-------Luiz-----Ramires--------

-----------Oscar----------------

-----Hazard----Mata----------

--------------Ba-----------------

This seems like it would work for Oscar because he doesn't seem to be ultra composed when he is in the thick of defense like Mata or Hazard but he is above average, his work rate along with Ramires could make our midfield on of the strongest in the league, fits Hazard and Mata because both a better suited for a central role. Only problem would be width, can we trust Luiz to be tactically disciplined and fill in the spots left open by Ashley and Cesar bombing down the wings?

That's why we need a defensive midfielder and a central midfielder.

And Cavani next summer.

Oscar Hazar Mata are suited to a possession game where they would move, combine and mess-up the opposition, we need a striker good in the link-up, deviation and can hold-up the ball.

Besides that Oscar is good to come from behind and exploiting spaces that the creative players would create in the opposition team.

Add Cabaye that is quite good to hold-up the ball, in first time passing and in long balls and that would be a very good midfield.

----------Azpilicueta----------------Ivanovic------------Luiz or Cahill------------Cole--------------------

-------------------------------------------Capoue--------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------Oscar-----------------------------Cabaye-------------------------------------------

------------------Mata------------------------------------------------------Hazard------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------Cavani---------------------------------------------------------------

t

[Spike 12,049]

That's why we need a defensive midfielder and a central midfielder.

And Cavani next summer.

Oscar Hazar Mata are suited to a possession game where they would move, combine and mess-up the opposition, we need a striker good in the link-up, deviation and can hold-up the ball.

Besides that Oscar is good to come from behind and exploiting spaces that the creative players would create in the opposition team.

Add Cabaye that is quite good to hold-up the ball, in first time passing and in long balls and that would be a very good midfield.

----------Azpilicueta----------------Ivanovic------------Luiz or Cahill------------Cole--------------------

-------------------------------------------Capoue--------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------Oscar-----------------------------Cabaye-------------------------------------------

------------------Mata------------------------------------------------------Hazard------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------Cavani---------------------------------------------------------------

t

I'm not too sure about the tactics or the formation but the midfeild of Oscar, Capoue and Cabaye could be incredible.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

That was a shit game and so much wrong with it, won't draw any conclusion from that single game.

Agreed. People want to read too much into individual games. I'm not saying Oscar will be great in the pivot, he might not work out, but it's worth a shot. Not sure Oscar, Mata, and Hazard (how the hell did Mazacar or whatever become a nickname when "Omaha" fits?) will ever be able to play together well up front. Even Barcelona need one of their front-3 to provide width. It's just too imbalanced for my liking.

[bitee 12]

why is this guy from Finland not banned yet?

why not you

[Land 331]

why not you

Because all of my posts are not about how shit Oscar is.

[Blue Gino 377]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

Completely agree! It's the fucking 4231 which is defensive plague assailing most top clubs in the world, especially England. Like any other formation, you need the right players for it, but because everyone wants to play like Barca and Spain, they think 4231 is the "right" formation.

To me the definition of a good manager is to employ the better system, which includes the formation, for the players he's got. The fact that Benitez hasn't changed the system that much from RDM worries me.

BTW, is Oscar under any special bulking up schedule? Just wondering as it is a good time to do it.

[GermanBlue 82]

Pirlo isn't exactly a physical specimen, neither is Oscar. I don't understand why he isn't played deeper. He doesn't have to tackle the hell out of his opponents, just harass them. Something will have to give among Oscar, De Bruyne and McEachran. One will have to be sold. They all view themselves as starters and rotating them won't satisfy their egos. I think Josh is the odd man out and will be sold. Don't get me wrong, I like Oscar but never wanted him at Chelsea. I wanted Josh in that spot. But looking at what Oscar was paid for, Josh will be deemed surplus as much as I hate that. Juan Mata isn't a right winger and the team does better with a Moses type there out wide. So to keep Oscar out there he should be played deeper. De Bruyne is versatile enough to play anywhere (RW) so I'm not worried about his potential but when it comes to Oscar and Josh, Oscar will ultimately win out. Mata has to be the CAM, not Oscar. So hopefully Rafa starts "tinkering" with Oscar deeper.

Good thought, but I think you can't compare Serie A with the Premier League. Italian football is just way less physical and slower. I don't think Pirlo would be a success in the Premier League btw. But I think there's a difference. While Pirlo is an awesome passer with a wonderful vision, Oscar is more of dribbler than Pirlo is. Ofc, Oscar isn't better than him because of that, but Oscar is more complete than Pirlo, at least as a BPL player. IMO, his last weaker performances aren't a matter of his position, it's normal for a young talent, that he still has off days. He's just 21, remember that, we have to give him his time to develop.

Playing him at a deeper position has effects on the rest of the squad. He needs a physically strong partner in the pivot like Mikel. Ofc, his defensive workrate is great, he's coming back a lot, but to have a decent and reliable defensive midfield, he can't partner with for example Ramires and Lamps (but especially Ramires). And honestly, as a deeplying playmaker, he does lack the "defensive skills" right now. Pirlo might have no problem with that in Italy, but in the Premier League it's needed. Lampard is a decent deeplying playmaker right now, but Oscar isn't IMO, at least not right now. He'll still develop, just look at other targets like Moutinho who is even 8cm smaller, but is IMO one of the best deeplying playmakers around.

[Blue Gino 377]

Good thought, but I think you can't compare Serie A with the Premier League. Italian football is just way less physical and slower. I don't think Pirlo would be a success in the Premier League btw. But I think there's a difference. While Pirlo is an awesome passer with a wonderful vision, Oscar is more of dribbler than Pirlo is. Ofc, Oscar isn't better than him because of that, but Oscar is more complete than Pirlo, at least as a BPL player. IMO, his last weaker performances aren't a matter of his position, it's normal for a young talent, that he still has off days. He's just 21, remember that, we have to give him his time to develop.

Playing him at a deeper position has effects on the rest of the squad. He needs a physically strong partner in the pivot like Mikel. Ofc, his defensive workrate is great, he's coming back a lot, but to have a decent and reliable defensive midfield, he can't partner with for example Ramires and Lamps (but especially Ramires). And honestly, as a deeplying playmaker, he does lack the "defensive skills" right now. Pirlo might have no problem with that in Italy, but in the Premier League it's needed. Lampard is a decent deeplying playmaker right now, but Oscar isn't IMO, at least not right now. He'll still develop, just look at other targets like Moutinho who is even 8cm smaller, but is IMO one of the best deeplying playmakers around.

I agree and Oscar would be better suited away from a double pivot in this league but that's what has me freaking out a bit and not having patience because of the owner. Obviously Josh can't do the job in the pivot because he's even less physical so maybe I have to resign to Josh leaving eventually. I just don't understand the thinking behind the addition of Oscar when Mata is awesome as a CAM and Moses brings the needed width the attack needs.

[Blue Gino 377]

Sure a squad has to have depth but when they all view themselves as first choice starters, egos, agents and who's the manager will drive someone out eventually. I guess Roman thinks Pep will magically make a bunch of number 10's work but not in this league it won't.

[GermanBlue 82]

I don't see Mata or Oscars as big egos that are miffed when not played, more the opposite. I think when a player comes to a big club like Chelsea that plays in 4 competitions, he's actually happy to get a rest and is rotated from time to time, at least he's not angry. No one can expect to play all the time.

[bitee 12]

Because all of my posts are not about how shit Oscar is.

first of all all my posts are not on oscar and if i think oscar is not good yet i say it and if you are not glad it's the same for me:d