🇧🇷 Oscar

[Justin_3d 1,140]

It's true, and that effects value a fair bit, but it doesn't cut it in half. Ozil went for 15M Euros. If he had another year or two left on his contract, maybe he would have gone for 20M Euros or so, maybe even more. The point is that he still would have cost a lot less than Oscar despite a much better pedigree. The issue with Oscar is not that we are paying a little too much, it's that we are paying probably 10M pounds more what a player of his experience should go for. Yes, he's a wunderkind, he's very talented, etc...but there are a lot of players like that out there. He could become an incredible player, but he could also become the next Anderson. There's simply no reason to be paying such an exorbitant fee for such an unproven player (and at a position where we didn't need anyone). 25M for a midfielder should be an elite, proven, young player, not a prospect.

Simple, we as one of the richest club in the world will always have to pay a premium for big names or upcoming stars.

[Kojo 4,676]

just check the thread ,,,warnie was full of praise

You must've checked after we signed him and not before, I'm on my phone btw i cba checking

[fAnta 107]

The two signings are incomparable.

The Oscar deal is very much in the mould of Lukaku, insane fees for raw talent.

I;ve told you already Oscar is not a raw talent at all! I'll admit Lucas is and less so neymar but Oscar is already shown unbelievable mature for his age. To come in to Brasil and take the number 10 in such style is incredible. You have to understand the belief Menezes has shown in him is a sign of how could he can be. He has taken over ganso who has been unlucky with injuries but is a first team player now. He does not get pushed over easily as you'd think, in Inter he stands up well and for Brasil too. Lukaku had to compete with Torres, Drogba and Sturridge and he was 18 years old. This boy can play in the middle and switch to left of midfield like at inter with mata if he needs too and hazard too. CFC board wanted Lukaku whereas Oscar makes so much more sense.

Record means nothing in this case, Lukaku was one example but a so called poor record will not deny the fact that Oscar is a player with huge potential. Lukakuy was mishandled by AVB, if we had a manager who wanted him in the first place it could be different story too. Broken promise story indicates he promised games over taking a straight loan to Andrelecht like it was being reported but AVB was stupid with him.

[diskoviolente 425]

I am not buying it until it is official posted on the Club´s website. Saving myself the frustration since Robinho.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I agree there is so much interest for players that we are not linked, once there are links to them, people start to complain about risk, price, fitting the team, problems for our youth players,...

Sure there are quite some people who still like the idea of signing those players, but not all.

The next phase is when we actualy sign player and 90% are happy for it because this is our new player. And it should be so. When we are closely linked, we think about such players

more and find some small problems, that we didnt care before. And it also better to like player we signed than not like it. And this things all fans do...

The bigger problem is that once you might sign player, he is great, then he joins some other team and he is shit.

[Kezza 1,965]

Done deal?..interesting

[YuriZhirkov 106]

I would rather take Dzagoev to be honest, is it just me?

[Kojo 4,676]

Gutted the talks have ended

[Term-X 7,891]

I;ve told you already Oscar is not a raw talent at all! I'll admit Lucas is and less so neymar but Oscar is already shown unbelievable mature for his age. To come in to Brasil and take the number 10 in such style is incredible. You have to understand the belief Menezes has shown in him is a sign of how could he can be. He has taken over ganso who has been unlucky with injuries but is a first team player now. He does not get pushed over easily as you'd think, in Inter he stands up well and for Brasil too. Lukaku had to compete with Torres, Drogba and Sturridge and he was 18 years old. This boy can play in the middle and switch to left of midfield like at inter with mata if he needs too and hazard too. CFC board wanted Lukaku whereas Oscar makes so much more sense.

Record means nothing in this case, Lukaku was one example but a so called poor record will not deny the fact that Oscar is a player with huge potential. Lukakuy was mishandled by AVB, if we had a manager who wanted him in the first place it could be different story too. Broken promise story indicates he promised games over taking a straight loan to Andrelecht like it was being reported but AVB was stupid with him.

You've taken my post slightly out of context here, I was responding to Kojo’s ‘comparison’. Even though Mata was competing in the best league in world football, at the highest level. Also, by 'raw talent' I essentially mean 'potential', as you stated yourself when referring to Oscar, unless you were contradicting yourself.

We had a Belgium fan on here saying similar things about Lukaku, yet.. when we saw him in a Chelsea shirt he looked like Heskey. The same posts about how we’d never pay such an insane fee and just let him rot on the bench etc etc.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I like your black and white way of looking at things, let me add some colour to your examples.

Valencia in debt, were always going to sell their best players (Villa, Silva, Mata) other clubs knew they were in debt and knew they could get the players for smaller fees than they would normally have to pay.

Kagawa, a year left on his contract, enough said.

Ozil, a year left on his contract.

24 million pounds for a player that is nearly 30, as great as he is, he hasn't much re-sale value and is not a young player. On top of that he was no longer an important part of the Barcelona team when they sold him.

Reus, good player but I wouldn't have him ahead of Oscar.

Ramires, very good player, industrious but of course the rare talent of Oscar will fetch more money than the work-horse Ramires.

What this boils down to is how good do you think Oscar is and how much potential do you believe him to have, I rank him very highly and I can honestly say there aren't many young players I've seen with more potential. Maybe you feel differently which is why you object to the money we are paying for him.

Let's not re-write history, we all remember what was being said during Drogba's first season, coming in from an average league, way overpriced, not even that young. He proved to be one of the best bits of business the club has ever done.

This is just nonsense. Valencia were in debt and had to sell their players, but you don't think other clubs were willing to pay for Villa, Silva and Mata? You think they gave them away at a discount? That's not the way the transfer market works. They weren't forced to get rid of their entire team in a one week period or something, they were selling one top player a season and lots of teams had tremendous interest in their players. There was no discount. That was just their value and it was fair value. And as I said earlier, having only a year left on your contract, makes your transfer cheaper, but it doesn't cut it in half. You look at someone like Cahill who only had a few months left on his contract and we paid 8M. Does that mean we really paid like 24M pounds for him? Of course not. And Oscar better than Reus? This is the insanity of overrating players based on potential. Reus has been a fantastic player in the Bundesliga for 2 seasons. 29 goals and 17 assists over the past 2 years in one of the best leagues in the world. Most people had him as one of the top 5 players in Germany last season. Oscar wasn't on the team of the season in Brazil. Reus put up better numbers in Germany than Oscar did in Brazil. He was excellent when he played in the Euro with much stiffer competition. (Fighting for spots with guys like Goetze, Podolski, and Mueller.)

It doesn't boil down to how much potential you think Oscar has, it boils down to whether you think you should be spending 25M pounds on established excellent young players or on players with a lot of potential. It boils down to whether you think buying youth is more important than buying talent.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

You've taken my post slightly out of context here, I was responding to Kojo’s ‘comparison’. Even though Mata was competing in the best league in world football, at the highest level. Also, by 'raw talent' I essentially mean 'potential', as you stated yourself when referring to Oscar, unless you were contradicting yourself.

We had a Belgium fan on here saying similar things about Lukaku, yet.. when we saw him in a Chelsea shirt he looked like Heskey. The same posts about how we’d never pay such an insane fee and just let him rot on the bench etc etc.

I think Sloth....who don't exist any more, and me said before Lukaku was a Chelsea player he would be like a Heskey/Moses type of player.

So far he has not disappointed, and I still think that is all he will amass to.

It was a horrible deal, in the category of Torres.

For this one, I don't think so. This dude looks like he can fit into the Silva, Modric type style.

I am much more excited about this deal then the Lukaku, Torres deal when they happened.

[Waterfall 893]

If he was so raw, he wouldn't be wearing #10 for Brazil. Just because a player is young and comes from a league you might not be familiar with, it doesn't mean he's raw.

[Leif 6,006]

Although Oscar isn't Brazil's undisputed number 10, let's look at the players he's managed to edge away from to keep the role his own - for now.

Lucas Moura

Ganso

Diego

Kaka

Hernanes

Ronaldinho** (No longer really a part of the squad, but Oscar seemed to be overtaking him when he was part of it.)

Oscar will turn 21 this year.

There's a reason he's preferred over the experienced Ronaldinho + Kaka, the underrated Hernanes, the masterful playmaker Diego and the highly-rated (by some) players of roughly the same age; Lucas + Ganso.

It's because he's special.

Sometimes long articles, analysis's, stats & opinions can't put into words to describe a player and how special he is.

This is often because this special trait is only seen by a few with a keen eye.

Dispute it all you want, but in my opinion, Oscar has it, and If moulded correctly, I'm positive he could go down an all-time Brazil great.

You don't wear Brazil's #10 due to luck.

[Justin_3d 1,140]

If he was so raw, he wouldn't be wearing #10 for Brazil. Just because a player is young and comes from a league you might not be familiar with, it doesn't mean he's raw.

People always like to give the excuse of poor league, but I remember Pato was bought for big money from Milan. He was all worth it until he got many injuries.

Another inferior league, Liverpool bought Suarez. And he has been far better then one of the best striker in the planet that cost us 50 mill.

So I don't think league should always be an excuse to bring down a player. If the player is good, has quality, and has potential he should be worth a look.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

This is just nonsense. Valencia were in debt and had to sell their players, but you don't think other clubs were willing to pay for Villa, Silva and Mata? You think they gave them away at a discount? That's not the way the transfer market works. They weren't forced to get rid of their entire team in a one week period or something, they were selling one top player a season and lots of teams had tremendous interest in their players. There was no discount. That was just their value and it was fair value. And as I said earlier, having only a year left on your contract, makes your transfer cheaper, but it doesn't cut it in half. You look at someone like Cahill who only had a few months left on his contract and we paid 8M. Does that mean we really paid like 24M pounds for him? Of course not. And Oscar better than Reus? This is the insanity of overrating players based on potential. Reus has been a fantastic player in the Bundesliga for 2 seasons. 29 goals and 17 assists over the past 2 years in one of the best leagues in the world. Most people had him as one of the top 5 players in Germany last season. Oscar wasn't on the team of the season in Brazil. Reus put up better numbers in Germany than Oscar did in Brazil. He was excellent when he played in the Euro with much stiffer competition. (Fighting for spots with guys like Goetze, Podolski, and Mueller.)

It doesn't boil down to how much potential you think Oscar has, it boils down to whether you think you should be spending 25M pounds on established excellent young players or on players with a lot of potential. It boils down to whether you think buying youth is more important than buying talent.

Barcelona famously passed up the chance to sign David Villa a year earlier than they did because they felt he was being overpriced by a club who needed the money. Neither Real Madrid or Barcelona rated Silva highly enough to be drawn into a bidding war with City, the same can be said of Chelsea and Mata, with our main competition for the signing coming from Arsenal 9not exactly known for their heavy spending). Gary is an excellent centre back and could well have been priced at 15 million had he had 3 years to run on his contract, we did pay 24 million pound for David Luiz afterall. Yes, I think Oscar is a better potential player than Reus but as I say, I rate Oscar very highly, Reus is an excellent player, Oscar is the kind of player who usually ends up at Real Madrid or Barcelona, that's the difference. While all of that is true, I dont take stats that seriously and I've seen enough of Oscar to safely say that he is a very special player.

If what you are saying is true then nobody should have bought Kaka, Barcelona shouldn't have taken the expensive (by the standard of the age of the player) gamble on Messi, remind me, how did both of those work out? Not every player can be born in Europe (where the leagues are stronger) you just have to judge a player on his own merits, on just how good he is and how good he can become. Why seperate youth and talent when Oscar is both young and immensely talented?

[fAnta 107]

You've taken my post slightly out of context here, I was responding to Kojo’s ‘comparison’. Even though Mata was competing in the best league in world football, at the highest level. Also, by 'raw talent' I essentially mean 'potential', as you stated yourself when referring to Oscar, unless you were contradicting yourself.

We had a Belgium fan on here saying similar things about Lukaku, yet.. when we saw him in a Chelsea shirt he looked like Heskey. The same posts about how we’d never pay such an insane fee and just let him rot on the bench etc etc.

He is potential but "burgeoning potential" as they say. He is more than raw and is already very good but has potential to be world class. He didn't get no.10 at Brasil by luck. For Lukaku as I said if he had been handled better it could be very diffent. AVb promised games so he decided not to go back on loan. If he got loan and played all games then we'd be loving him. Don't blame lukaku for being benched he's 19 and has time theirs a reason why madrid and barcelona were after him. the signings are not comparable.

[The Big Drog 1,110]

He is potential but "burgeoning potential" as they say. He is more than raw and is already very good but has potential to be world class. He didn't get no.10 at Brasil by luck. For Lukaku as I said if he had been handled better it could be very diffent. AVb promised games so he decided not to go back on loan. If he got loan and played all games then we'd be loving him. Don't blame lukaku for being benched he's 19 and has time theirs a reason why madrid and barcelona were after him. the signings are not comparable.

I agree, Lukaku was never going to start ahead of Torres/Drogba/ Sturridge

I fully expect Oscar will be a regular in the starting 11 if he joins.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

So if we do play 4 2 3 1,then whats wrong with KDB playing on the right side.I am still against this move as it will push KDB out on loan move,which is completely unfair.

kdb can still stay, oscar, mata and hazard arent playin everygame of the season with 7 cups!

their subs will be:kdb, rambo marin. and at time studge is we really need him there, other wise we have 6 healthy for attackin 3 and no way will oscar start offf bat, needs time as well as kdb and marin......well i guess we will prob just accelerate the rate he learns the epl hahahaha. kdb SHOULD GO NOWHERE, however if we sign willian maybe kdb can play pivot role, only thing is will coaches trust him as backup there and playin there.

right now kdb is ok, only thing is if we sign one more then we start to panic................................................hopefully not.

[Wxgba 306]

Just thought I'd let y'all know that I ran this story before Sky Sports, if any mutual agreement has been reached.

http://full-timewhis...em-next-season/

Greg > Sky Sports.

Oscar will certainly start...

And Bafta will be on the bench!

Also, if I see...

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...I'm going to commit.

[Chelsea? 892]

Lol. If we are linked to anymore players, I might bring Eden off the bench in my next mock lineup