🇧🇷 Oscar

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

It will happen, the same way Oscar was replaced at the end of such games with Mata in the first half of the season. I'd put money on it if I could!

You have no way of knowing anything so please stop embarrassing yourself. We have a striker now so there may be less of a need for the most perfect pass to open up a defense.

Also I would imagine in those situations, if they occur, we would likely go 4-1-4-1 with Fab AND Oscar patrolling in the middle.

[Rom2013 446]

Gotze, Lucas, Coutinho, Pedro, neymar, Isco, jack wilshere, etc.....

Well.... Neymar is 10 times better than Oscar, Pedro I don't know where you saw him playing poorly for 6 months (if you are talking about Pedrito of Barcelona), the same for Isco... Isco doesn´t play in Madrid because with Di Maria, ROnaldo and Bale even Hazard would be on the bench. The same reason why Gotze has some problems in Bayern.

Coutinho is another Oscar, but even worst.

About Oscar and his future in Chelsea. Maybe is better to sell one of the wingers like Salah and buy a number 10. Someone like Ozil.

[meetdoscar 335]

Some just love to critize or love to hate.

[Tomo 21,751]

Yet despite spending about 60M more pounds, being able to mold a team in his own image, not starting in mid-season Mourinho who is a top manager, didn't accomplish any more than Rafa did. We finished third and trophyless and at the end of the season actually looked worse than we did at the end of the last season. Avram Grant had more success in the CL than Mourinho ever had with us. RDM won the CL. Managers don't matter much and certainly not a fraction of the way the media and fans treat them. Long-term successful managers are managers that are on high spending clubs.

Managers do matter in a couple of ways

1) Controlling egos. Big name managers can handle players' egos with their own. That is important.

2)There are managers whose games suite different styles of play and may be a better fit at different clubs.

3) Managers can make a little difference and at the top level that little difference could be between winning and losing.

People always blame managers for losing and give managers credit for winning but they relatively little impact, about, I would say, the impact of a squad player. It goes against everything people learn about football but football is in the dark ages still where people think teams win because of heart and will and so on. Teams win mostly because of money.

We had no identity on the pitch in the team in the 3 years between Carlo's 2nd season and RDM/Rafa season, we still managed to pick up the knockout cup's due to the fact the team still could do it in one of games, but there was a reason we kept falling short on the league. Jose has set a blueprint for solid, counter attacking football and for the first time in ages it feels we are heading in a good direction.

Im sorry but we will simply have to agree to disagree re the managers, money helps but the manager aspect is a lot more than the points you made, Moyes spent 65m to add to a team of champions and ended up taking them to 7th, below his old team, where he constantly used money as an excuse for not being able to take them any further, and to expand further his successor has argubly done just that.

While money helps, a lot, if your shit at your job like Moyes or Sherwood, then you ain't going anywhere.

[Barbara 15,149]

Yet despite spending about 60M more pounds, being able to mold a team in his own image, not starting in mid-season Mourinho who is a top manager, didn't accomplish any more than Rafa did. We finished third and trophyless and at the end of the season actually looked worse than we did at the end of the last season. Avram Grant had more success in the CL than Mourinho ever had with us. RDM won the CL. Managers don't matter much and certainly not a fraction of the way the media and fans treat them. Long-term successful managers are managers that are on high spending clubs.

Managers do matter in a couple of ways

1) Controlling egos. Big name managers can handle players' egos with their own. That is important.

2)There are managers whose games suite different styles of play and may be a better fit at different clubs.

3) Managers can make a little difference and at the top level that little difference could be between winning and losing.

People always blame managers for losing and give managers credit for winning but they relatively little impact, about, I would say, the impact of a squad player. It goes against everything people learn about football but football is in the dark ages still where people think teams win because of heart and will and so on. Teams win mostly because of money.

When the team didn't answer, he had to take a step back in the tactics.

The kind of football Benitez had working here can only be perceived as better if you think that Mata had a free role and therefore we were more creative, but as a team we were weaker, didn't present any threat to big teams and struggled to beat medium teams, the difference being we actually won 1x0 a few times, but there's no comparison between Mourinho's work and everyone before him since Carlo left. We actually had a competitive team, that yeah wasn't effective at all in the attack, but how is it Mourinho's fault that we have 20 shots during a match with 6 on goal as we did a few times.

I was blaming managers just yesterday and I think there were flaws in Mourinho's first season, but I think we also have a chronic problem in the attack. It seems like Hazard created tons of chances (towards the end of the season he didn't create as much as the middle of it), so while Mourinho should drill more attacking plays, our problem was mainly players not putting as much heart against small sides as they did against big sides. I cursed those matches where we seemed uninterested, lacking commitment from players who just didn't put a lot of effort because it was Stoke or Sunderland....

On Oscar, I'm not sure Mourinho has the same opinion as most here (I stand somewhere in the between) that his #10 should be the most creative while lacking work rate (and let's be real, nobody has energy to excel in both because it's demanding physically, also your brain can't be reset every 30 seconds). Unless he's changed his ideas from last season, he wouldn't have let go of Mata if he was expecting his #10 to be the same most of you expect. So while I read all those endless posts about how creative Oscar should be, I'm not sure Mourinho wants much more from him. I'm positive he wants him better than he was from january-may because he was terrible, but I think people are deluding themselves dreaming of having a new Mata playing under Mourinho... I want Oscar to improve offensively (and even in general), but I don't dream of him becoming the #10 you guys dream of and honestly, I don't think Mourinho does either. Mourinho's counter-attack teams - even with Özil - attack much more from the flanks rather than the middle. I think Mourinho values a lot the amount of tackles Oscar gets in the attacking half, which helps a lot a counter-attack team. Which doesn't justify or even entitles Oscar to play as bad as he has lately.

I just think there's an expectation around here that probably doesn't have much space in Mourinho's mind. He wants Oscar to play better in general - has said he had issues the last few months, but seeing how Oscar was his golden boy in the first months of the season - when Oscar was in general playing much better, but wasn't as creative as some want him to be, I think Mourinho wants him to play like those 3-4 months for a whole season. I'd like some slight improvement in his creativity from those initial months.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

On Oscar, I'm not sure Mourinho has the same opinion as most here (I stand somewhere in the between) that his #10 should be the most creative while lacking work rate (and let's be real, nobody has energy to excel in both because it's demanding physically, also your brain can't be reset every 30 seconds). Unless he's changed his ideas from last season, he wouldn't have let go of Mata if he was expecting his #10 to be the same most of you expect. So while I read all those endless posts about how creative Oscar should be, I'm not sure Mourinho wants much more from him. I'm positive he wants him better than he was from january-may because he was terrible, but I think people are deluding themselves dreaming of having a new Mata playing under Mourinho... I want Oscar to improve offensively (and even in general), but I don't dream of him becoming the #10 you guys dream of and honestly, I don't think Mourinho does either. Mourinho's counter-attack teams - even with Özil - attack much more from the flanks rather than the middle. I think Mourinho values a lot the amount of tackles Oscar gets in the attacking half, which helps a lot a counter-attack team. Which doesn't justify or even entitles Oscar to play as bad as he has lately.

It still remains to be seen how Mourinho is going to use Fabregas. If he is going to use him as a number 10, then I fear Oscar doesn't have much of a chance of displacing him. Also, Oscar is not going to be played on the right wing after Mourinho's criticism of how Benitez used him. Even if we play a 4-3-3, Oscar is not going to play in a deeper role. He's never played there and Mourinho is not going to play him in an alien position just to accommodate him. If we maintain the 4-2-3-1, Fabregas will most likely not play in the pivot as his creative impact will be limited there and he hasn't played there since 2009. Plus I don't see Mourinho dropping Ramires from the team. Oscar's position in the team might come under very serious threat next season.

[iseah100 5,612]

OSCAR SHOULD PLAY NEXT TO MATIC!!!

Why can't he be box-to-box? He's small, but strong. At least try it. Unless he doesn't want to.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

OSCAR SHOULD PLAY NEXT TO MATIC!!!

Why can't he be box-to-box? He's small, but strong. At least try it. Unless he doesn't want to.

Actually, Oscar is weak physically. Don't be deceived by all the tackles he averages per game. He gets brushed off the ball far too easily and he lacks the ability to protect the ball from the opposition like Mata used to do, so he can't compensate with that. He can't play in the pivot because he has never played there in his career.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

OSCAR SHOULD PLAY NEXT TO MATIC!!!

Why can't he be box-to-box? He's small, but strong. At least try it. Unless he doesn't want to.

Yes, with his work rate, box-to-box seems like a logical thing. Let's face it: he's not going to be a world-class playmaker, because at his age, it's unlikely that he'll suddenly get a better vision and tremendously improve his passing and creativity. But he's still a good passer, has an okay creativity, great workrate and defensive contribution. If he puts on some muscle, IMO, he might become a good box-to-box.

[zolayes 14,489]

Actually, Oscar is weak physically. Don't be deceived by all the tackles he averages per game. He gets brushed off the ball far too easily and he lacks the ability to protect the ball from the opposition like Mata used to do, so he can't compensate with that. He can't play in the pivot because he has never played there in his career.

thats not what I have seen . I have rarely seen him outmuscled

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

thats not what I have seen . I have rarely seen him outmuscled

He gets outmuscled easily. If you ignore all the good tackles he makes, he is a lightweight. Why do you think he loses the ball so often when he plays as a 10? He only looks truly comfortable when he play out-wide.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

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Enjoy how amazing Oscar was in the first half of the season and notice how good he can be.

Relax and hope he can have a similar form this season, especially that he will have more quality around him (namely, the striker) and hopefully a more free role.

[iseah100 5,612]

Yes, with his work rate, box-to-box seems like a logical thing. Let's face it: he's not going to be a world-class playmaker, because at his age, it's unlikely that he'll suddenly get a better vision and tremendously improve his passing and creativity. But he's still a good passer, has an okay creativity, great workrate and defensive contribution. If he puts on some muscle, IMO, he might become a good box-to-box.

Yea. He has decent vision, not number 10 vision. Hasgood passing but no #10 passing. High workrate. If he's willing, give it a shot.

He gets outmuscled easily. If you ignore all the good tackles he makes, he is a lightweight. Why do you think he loses the ball so often when he plays as a 10? He only looks truly comfortable when he play out-wide.

Ignore his good tackles and loom at the bad? Lol. With Matic next to him it would work. I think.

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Enjoy how amazing Oscar was in the first half of the season and notice how good he can be.

Relax and hope he can have a similar form this season, especially that he will have more quality around him (namely, the striker) and hopefully a more free role.

I was thinking that when I was watching it. I think a lot of us forget how good he CAN be.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Ignore his good tackles and loom at the bad? Lol. With Matic next to him it would work. I think.

You need way more than being a "good tackler" to play in a double pivot. For instance, you have to be able to read the game and anticipate the opposition's attacks. Is there any proof Oscar is good at reading the game? The efforts of our CM/DM's were vital in protecting our back four. If you think super-pragmatist Mourinho is going to change that just to accommodate a player who has never played there before, then you have something else coming. It might be feasible on football manager but not in real life and not under Mourinho.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

thats not what I have seen . I have rarely seen him outmuscled

If you guys really think Oscar has the physical tools to be a box to box midfielder in Jose's system then you haven't been paying attention.

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[iseah100 5,612]

If you guys really think Oscar has the physical tools to be a box to box midfielder in Jose's system then you haven't been paying attention.

NO

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NEVER!!!

Okay. Sheesh. Stop yelling at me.

[zolayes 14,489]

If you guys really think Oscar has the physical tools to be a box to box midfielder in Jose's system then you haven't been paying attention.

NO

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JOSE!!!

NEVER!!!

CONGRATULATIONS ...so you can put words in columns and capitals .. well done .. soon you will be able to do joined up thinking

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

CONGRATULATIONS ...so you can put words in columns and capitals .. well done .. soon you will be able to do joined up thinking

It seems to be the only way to get the likes of you to understand a thing or two.

Everyone says Oscar was extremely fatigued playing as the no.10 in Jose's system so now he'll be fine to play CM? He's too lightweight to deal with the rigours of that positions demands.

[zolayes 14,489]

It seems to be the only way to get the likes of you to understand a thing or two.

Everyone says Oscar was extremely fatigued playing as the no.10 in Jose's system so now he'll be fine to play CM? He's too lightweight to deal with the rigours of that positions demands.

I can understand logic not hype ,, The likes of me have probably seen 10 times the football you have ,,, ..

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

I can understand logic not hype ,, The likes of me have probably seen 10 times the football you have ,,, ..

Highly doubt that but even if that were true you're missing something when you watch it. Oscar was omitted from Jose's team when he played 4-3-3 that in of itself should tell you how highly he regards Oscar in that role.