RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 His head on the hospital. How could you play well with that? Wait until we see how he perform at the real stage (world cup) before making any judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 global warming and wars going on around the world are weighing on his mind. The sun, earth and moon must form a perfect alignment before he can perform.I blame the penquins for global warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 His head on the hospital.How could you play well with that? Wait until we see how he perform at the real stage (world cup) before making any judgement.These are the list of excuses that has been used to defend his constant mediocre performances and form since he joinedAdaptation to a new league,climate and style of football, age, fatigue and exhaustion, unsuitable tactics, world cup fever, baby fever.Unfortunately it shares a striking resemblance with Torres who was also fervently defended with excuses ranging from unsuitable tactics and style of play, lack of service, lack of proper pre season rest, malouda's selfishness (pathetic I know), Drogba taking him out of the spotlight and so on.At some point the uncomfortable question and evaluation has to be made i,e "is he good enough" "what is the guarantee that he isn't like the other hundreds of "talented" (I used that loosely in Oscar's case) youngsters who failed to fulfill their potential"There are not enough questions being asked. all I see are bunch of excuses being made. Amblève. and Miki-Liki 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 You mean how Hazard went to a Lillie match and was dropped for the Schalke game in the CL.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 You want to compare off the field stories with Eden? Great but Eden and Oscar were both going to the Cup, both played a ton of games but only one shined continuously for the Blues. Eden had an ankle issue and Oscar a knee and both could have shut it down in preparation for the World Cup but only one did. Maybe seeing Luiz and Cahill play through pain to achieve glory I.E. Champions League glory just spoiled me. New generation of a player's intestinal fortitude I have to get used to I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 To be honest day after day I'm getting the feeling he is the new Ganso.He might start the opener against Croatia, but no doubt he will lost his place for Willian in the subsequent games. laura90 and lionsden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 To be honest day after day I'm getting the feeling he is the new Ganso.He might start the opener against Croatia, but no doubt he will lost his place for Willian in the subsequent games. I doubt it... Willian was far from impressive the recent game and Neymar sucked as well minus the one pass that should of counted as an assist. Hulk is Hulk. How is Ganso and Oscar anyway similar? Their attributes are totally different. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lionsden 4,689 Posted June 9, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 9, 2014 How is Ganso and Oscar anyway similar? Their attributes are totally different.They are similar in terms of career path. . . . . . highly rated and touted to reach great height but ultimately faded into oblivion and failed to fulfill the early promise and "potential". That's what Henrique means and tbh I thought his point was quite straight forward and unambiguous. The Mak, didierforever, Stingray and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Muzchap 8,966 Posted June 9, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted June 9, 2014 They are similar in terms of career path. . . . . . highly rated and touted to reach great height but ultimately faded into oblivion and failed to fulfill the early promise and "potential". That's what Henrique means and tbh I thought his point was quite straight forward and unambiguous.It's the World Cup and next season - make or break for him He can be amazing on his day - just lacks consistency - it's more likely a 'mental' problem - I'm sure next season he will step up kellzfresh, MrBlueGuy, The only place to be and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 It's the World Cup and next season - make or break for himHe can be amazing on his day - just lacks consistency - it's more likely a 'mental' problem - I'm sure next season he will step up And that's the issue. Any player "can be amazing on their day". I have seen Titus fecking Bramble and Lee Cattermole producxe motm performances before. heck even Torres has had some amazing performances for us yet he's deemed not good enough and rightfully so. we need a player that can be relied upon atleast 7x out of 10.And since you are "sure" he will step up next season the matter is settled and we can all sleep happy and comfortably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 They are similar in terms of career path. . . . . . highly rated and touted to reach great height but ultimately faded into oblivion and failed to fulfill the early promise and "potential". That's what Henrique means and tbh I thought his point was quite straight forward and unambiguous.Ganso became and was injury prone....Ganso's skillset was always very high, he was just slow and injury prone....I love how OScar faded into oblivion and failed to fulfill early promise and potential...TBH, you have no idea what you are talking about.Illiterate nubs would like your comment. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I hope he finds his feet again at the WC, and helps Brazil to glory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Oscar on Brazil, the World Cup and how he's living the dream of every boy in his homeland Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I doubt it... Willian was far from impressive the recent game and Neymar sucked as well minus the one pass that should of counted as an assist. Hulk is Hulk. How is Ganso and Oscar anyway similar? Their attributes are totally different.If Willian was far from impressive the recent game then Oscar was a trainwreck, and was even worse the friendly before that.If Willian hasnt taken his spot after the croatia match then it will only be because Oscar has drastically turned it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 If Willian was far from impressive the recent game then Oscar was a trainwreck, and was even worse the friendly before that.If Willian hasnt taken his spot after the croatia match then it will only be because Oscar has drastically turned it around.Willian made one pass to Hulk that game......After that he lost he ball, made no tackles and was completely irrelevant.....(Neymar is selfish or doesnt see the pass fast enough) In the game vs panama, he scored a poacher goal from brilliant link up play by neymar and maxwell(i think) When people compare Oscar, they are comparing Oscar to OScar #10, not Willian. Oscar #10 was Brazil best player, however, when Scolari made Neymar the key playmaker, Oscar in general was never as good as he was prior and Neymar rose instead.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Willian made one pass to Hulk that game......After that he lost he ball, made no tackles and was completely irrelevant.....(Neymar is selfish or doesnt see the pass fast enough) In the game vs panama, he scored a poacher goal from brilliant link up play by neymar and maxwell(i think) When people compare Oscar, they are comparing Oscar to OScar #10, not Willian. Oscar #10 was Brazil best player, however, when Scolari made Neymar the key playmaker, Oscar in general was never as good as he was prior and Neymar rose instead..He had to make Neymar the key playmaker though. That gives Brazil the best chance at winning because Neymar is literally a once in a generation type of talent. Who in that squad can break down an offense like Neymar? Maybe Hernanes when hes in form. Hulk once in a blue moon. Big Phil did what he had toInternational football usually comes down to that "one pass" or presence. Other than that goal in the panama game he was full of intensity in a game that was lacking it from the brazil side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 He had to make Neymar the key playmaker though. That gives Brazil the best chance at winning because Neymar is literally a once in a generation type of talent. Who in that squad can break down an offense like Neymar? Maybe Hernanes when hes in form. Hulk once in a blue moon. Big Phil did what he had toInternational football usually comes down to that "one pass" or presence. Other than that goal in the panama game he was full of intensity in a game that was lacking it from the brazil side.Neymar is exceptional talent.... However, he doesnt see the pass fast enough. He has far more ability than Oscar to make the pass, but seeing it is kind of a different story... For instance, in the game vs Serbia, there were many instances where the wing players made runs for Neymar and he never pass it. Rather, he dribbles it and gets fouled or loses it...In the game vs Serbia, he had one relevant pass that whole game and it didnt count... Neymar might grow into the role better eventually, but he over complicates things a lot as well. If anything, Bernard should be starting since he makes clever runs and is absolutely fantastic player (moreso than Hulk). Sir Mikel OBE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Oscar wasnt anything special back then at confed cup...WC will be even bigger test.Im sure he is taking friendlies careful, similar to Hazard and both will show best in WC.However if he gets average performances and Brazil dont win cup or get realy close, he will be axed from first 11 IMO. At least for some time until he proves he is good enough. This guy is one big mistery and lets hope he finds his form back, would be sad to see another talent leaving club after such promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I doubt it... Willian was far from impressive the recent game and Neymar sucked as well minus the one pass that should of counted as an assist. Hulk is Hulk. How is Ganso and Oscar anyway similar? Their attributes are totally different.Also the comparison makes no sense because what ruined Ganso's potential were his many injuries - serious injuries - not simply form or not delivering it... one case has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other even if Oscar proves to be a flop - which I think it's too early to say. I don't know where those guys get the ideas that they can already tell if a promising youngster will reach their full potential when they're still 22 based on an UP and DOWN season, as Oscar didn't have an entire bad season, only half of it.Also nobody seems to remember that Hazard had an anonymous start of season and then after his injury he never reached the highs he did from December-February. Also nobody mentions he's like that every single season.So is Hazard now the kind of player we can only count for 3-4 months a season? Because that's how he's operated since he's at Chelsea and not many label him like that. As they shouldn't because those are players still in their development years. Hazard is another level compared to Oscar, but both still had ups and downs during the season, but because Hazard's were in the beginning and then he faded after some outstanding months, people don't talk because their memory is short and in some cases, selective too. I could do a refresh and tell that the last goal Eden scored that wasn't from a penalty was in the first week of February... don't remember when it was his last assist, but certainly not much recently.Give the lads time to improve and they probably will. LAB, The only place to be, kellzfresh and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Also the comparison makes no sense because what ruined Ganso's potential were his many injuries - serious injuries - not simply form or not delivering it... one case has absolutely NOTHING to do with the other even if Oscar proves to be a flop - which I think it's too early to say. I don't know where those guys get the ideas that they can already tell if a promising youngster will reach their full potential when they're still 22 based on an UP and DOWN season, as Oscar didn't have an entire bad season, only half of it.Also nobody seems to remember that Hazard had an anonymous start of season and then after his injury he never reached the highs he did from December-February. Also nobody mentions he's like that every single season.So is Hazard now the kind of player we can only count for 3-4 months a season? Because that's how he's operated since he's at Chelsea and not many label him like that. As they shouldn't because those are players still in their development years. Hazard is another level compared to Oscar, but both still had ups and downs during the season, but because Hazard's were in the beginning and then he faded after some outstanding months, people don't talk because their memory is short and in some cases, selective too. I could do a refresh and tell that the last goal Eden scored that wasn't from a penalty was in the first week of February... don't remember when it was his last assist, but certainly not much recently.Give the lads time to improve and they probably will.Exactly... Ganso was injury prone.I bet he never watch Ganso play, because Ganso pure passing ability,technique/touch and vision is world class .... But he's brittle and he slow... Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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