Rahul Haque 57 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 our tactical system is going to be simple yet powerfully effective imogk flying wingback solid cb solid cb flying wingback solid cm solid cm (drifts forward at times)agile agile agile goals simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royg 96 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 If we lack in physicality we should compensate on work rate and ball pressure. Assuming we will get Oscar, and having a lot of technical midfielders in Mata, Hazard, Marin, Ramires and KDB do you guys think we have the work-rate with these bunch of players (except Ramires that we all know as a hard worker)???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 This reminds me of the Lukaku deal, expect the transfer fee is even more insane.A truly baffling signing this would be, there is no space in the squad for him. He's an attacking midfielder, he won't play deep, we will leak goals next season, a squad of small fragile players. We desperately need a 'physical presence' to balance out the small technical players further forward, ala Hulk.Add to that the fact that we need experienced players who have already proven that they are of quality. It really shocks me that people have already forgotten where we had our real problems the last 2 seasons + it seems like as soon as there's a new "wonderkid" we are linked with almost everybody thinks that all our problems are solved. Thus Oscar would be a bad signing that doesn't fill our team needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Man city have Silva and Nasri on the wings, but as we know they're not typical wingers. They both pass and move around the pitch, linking well with Teves and Aguero.I think Mancini prefers that then actual 'proper' wingers, he's tried to implement A.Johnson into the first eleven but the team doesn't flow as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Comparisson to barca is way to difficult...Their power and dominance comes from several years of training and playing together. Theyall pass great and that is their power. And yet on ocasions, they look terrible in defence (against Milan or Osasuna are good examples).Our team (Hazard, Marin, Mata, Oscar) never played together before, not club or national level.They dont pass with such excelence, or keep possesion, also we dont play in Spain where you have only 3 realy difficult teams and style allows you lot of possesion and playing in attack (since all teams are very offensive). Here in england, teams play defensive when other team is having lot of possesion. And even barca is not good in such situations. The best against defensive teams is pure power we had in Drogba, Anelka and Malouda, now we only have technicaly gifted smaller players, not including defence. One bigger player I think is almost a need, no mather what style we will play. And what is most important to develop attacking football is TIME. With so many new players, we will surely need time for them to find chemistry or whatever is that mind team-working connection called.I wasn't necessarily saying we should or are going to play like Barca but was more trying to point out that under AVB our system was a mess when playing with the high line defence. I agree it will take time for these young prospects to develop and gel together but with the experience already in the squad (Champions Of Europe) the chemistry will hopefully come good sooner rather than later. You say we only have technically gifted smaller players? So what of Torres, Lukaku, KDB and Sturridge... these are technically gifted AND strong players. I think maybe we could do with bringing in Moses to bolster the strength of our attack but i really don't believe that this tactile powerhouse attacking style is so essential and even if it is, it's not like we don't have three strong strikers already! With two strong midfielders sitting deep say Mikel and Lampard then what is wrong with three nimble, agile and gifted players in front of them to work magic for a strong striker like Torres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 We were much more solid the latter half of the season than under AVB. Also with these great signings, oscar or no oscar, i think we can all agree the lineup we will put out will have greater stength in attack, as well as torres seemingly being in better goalscoring shape. And even if that is not truly the case he is gonna be better than last season. All this should mean we should have a greater control and possession of the ball. And a great thing about having the ball is with the exception of weird OG's they cant score. Therefore the age old cliche of Attack is the best form of defence is actually relevant. And i know that extra attackers leave us vunerable on the counter attack, however it is not extra attackers we will have but just better alterantives from the likes of Malouda and Kalou and our defence will still be there.CechIvan Terry Cahill Cole.Theres not too many better defences in the prem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Listen, this is not £25m, its £19,8, since that 25 is not english pounds, but euros.There is no winger crisis, we dont need wingers like Robben and Rybery to win things, and its not true we dont have wingers, since we have Marko Marin and Ramires.We still are in the beginning of the transfer window, buying Oscar doesnt mean we won buy a winger to solve the "winger crisis".If you look back at the post.. I was using last season as an example. 'Had' a winger crisis, not 'have', so you've misinterpreted my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Also, I wasn't referring to euros, merely quoting the daily mail article, in which they claim the fee is £25m (£!)..http://www.dailymail...ernacional.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Wikipedia is funny. I assume someone else has posted this though i only skimmed through the first 10 pages.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_dos_Santos_Emboaba_JuniorSo unless wikipedia have inside sources.... , more bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 It really shocks me that people have already forgotten where we had our real problems the last 2 seasons.One of our main problems was creativity. Even last season with the addition of Mata we still struggled in games he was marked out or didn't play well.Now we've added 2 very creative players in Hazard and Marin, and also hopefully Oscar who can do his creating from a deeper midfield role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wasn't necessarily saying we should or are going to play like Barca but was more trying to point out that under AVB our system was a mess when playing with the high line defence. I agree it will take time for these young prospects to develop and gel together but with the experience already in the squad (Champions Of Europe) the chemistry will hopefully come good sooner rather than later. You say we only have technically gifted smaller players? So what of Torres, Lukaku, KDB and Sturridge... these are technically gifted AND strong players. I think maybe we could do with bringing in Moses to bolster the strength of our attack but i really don't believe that this tactile powerhouse attacking style is so essential and even if it is, it's not like we don't have three strong strikers already! With two strong midfielders sitting deep say Mikel and Lampard then what is wrong with three nimble, agile and gifted players in front of them to work magic for a strong striker like Torres?So far Hazard is talent. Oscar is talent. Marin is talent. Kdb is talent. Lukaku is talent. Torres is out of form striker. And I dont think Moses, another talent will give us anything more chances to compete for PL trophy. Someone who is a bit older is necessary. After all this problems with young players, we will now depend only on them? I know what you mean, but we should have some backup plan, we cant only depend on technical play, but there should be one player that can go past few defenders on his own, using his speed, strenght. And that player is Hulk. With Oscar and Hulk I wont complain a bit. Even that will cost us so much money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 This exact same thing happened last summer, we had a winger crisis, yet signed Lukaku for £18m. Regardless of the 'investment', he was not a necessity, we left our priority signings until the last hours of the window. Oscar isn't a natural winger and he faces stiff competition for the number 10 role. This is £25m that 'should' be going towards the Hulk transfer fee and a right back.Prioritisation..We've signed Marko Marin, a winger. We have Kevin De Bruyne, somebody who can play on the wing. The signing of Oscar would mean that Mata and Hazard could be played in wider positions. I think its naive to assume that we will play with set wingers like Man Utd do, Hazard, Mata and Oscar would all be given the freedom to roam. I also dont see why signing Oscar would mean we wouldn't be signing a right back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Wikipedia is funny. I assume someone else has posted this though i only skimmed through the first 10 pages.http://en.wikipedia...._Emboaba_JuniorSo unless wikipedia have inside sources.... , more bullshit.Anyone can edit Wikipedia, it's not reliable whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Also, I wasn't referring to euros, merely quoting the daily mail article, in which they claim the fee is £25m (£!)..http://www.dailymail...ernacional.htmlOscar's agent himself told brazilian press it was 25m euros. As you said, you were quoting a daily mail article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santiago. 1,500 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So what will be our starting 11 be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 One of our main problems was creativity. Even last season with the addition of Mata we still struggled in games he was marked out or didn't play well.Now we've added 2 very creative players in Hazard and Marin, and also hopefully Oscar who can do his creating from a deeper midfield role.Our main problem the last season was that we missed a "boss" in the midfield who dictates our tempo etc. I don't see how we have solved this problem so far. Hazard and Marin will be playing on the wings, Mata isn't defensive enough to be Mikel's partner next to him and Oscar hasn't shown yet that he's competitive in a European league. We rather should go after the likes of Moutinho who are experienced enough to be the missing part in our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane 2,275 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So what will be our starting 11 be then?Ask that at the end of the transfer window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 So what will be our starting 11 be then?Haha you really want people to post their Fifa fantasy starting line up?Ok, i'll give it a go... Mikel-Lampard(Oscar------------------Mata--------------HazardHazard-----------------Oscar---------------Mata ) ----------------> any of them could change position e.g Mata in the middle, oscar on the right etc TorresWe may try and change Oscar into a deep lying playmaker, it's not that odd to see a Brazilian change positions in the EPL for example Lucas at liverpool, he used to be a CAM now he's a DM, Anderson at Man united, used to be a CAM, RW now a CM... so who actually knows.Also i promise not to do a fantasy starting eleven again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Term-X 7,891 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 We've signed Marko Marin, a winger. We have Kevin De Bruyne, somebody who can play on the wing. The signing of Oscar would mean that Mata and Hazard could be played in wider positions. I think its naive to assume that we will play with set wingers like Man Utd do, Hazard, Mata and Oscar would all be given the freedom to roam. I also dont see why signing Oscar would mean we wouldn't be signing a right back.De Bruyne won't play a major role in the upcoming season, Marin was signed as a squad player, so let's not refer to him as if he's going to be the first name on the team sheet. Even under the assumption RDM won’t play with set wingers, we still need natural wide men, and then there’s the argument of physicality, having all these similar small technical players gives us little to no balance/dimension. With the Hulk deal in the balance it's somewhat of a mindfuck, that we're supposedly going to splash out on another number 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I agree with TX. This signing is not by any means necessary since we have more pressing needs. I'd opt against it especially for 25m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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