Jcar92 66 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I disagree with you concerning Lucas Moura. Good player, but kinda one trick pony in my book. So, I tend to agree with Brazil management about Lucas' role in the national team.Oscar IMO is a sure starter for Brazil... while Lucas is debatable. They don't play in the same position as Lucas to me is a pure attacker, he can't track back or play in the middle.I respect your opinion, for what you said, i assume that you watch his games, i also receive comments here that he tends to go for the drible, but this is because is his best skill, and works a lot. We had Robben in CHelsea, we all know that he would take the ball at the right side, bring to middle and kick, but still worked... Not saying that Lucas always go for the same play, is just that he do it(the drible) because it works, if he needs to adapt here, i think he will do. He can do other things alright. His last game can show, the 5 x 0 againt "La U", look at the pass that he did to Luis Fabiano...Look, Lucas is clearly wronged. Okay, you may prefer Hulk above him, but he didn't even receive a good chance, always when has just some minutes of game, even if you put all that, that he has one trick, for what he showed us in the Brasileirão, he should have more chances...Agree with you about tracking back, he try, but still is no good at it... Disagree about his position, he plays in the midfield, but always at the sides... To compare, Neymar is the LWF, while Lucas play behind as the RMF... He is really agressive, really direct, so it seems like that.But again, i get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcar92 66 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 First of all, It is Rmpr not Dider Drogba Lalalala...Second, have you ever been to Cotia training ground? Muricy went there severall times just to see Oscar. Nobody is saying Lucas isnt great, no team pays 44million for a bad player, he is very good (alright, we pay 44million for a bad player, but that is another discussion). You cant deny Oscar was way more hyped, every youngster coach new about him when he was 15, not about former Marcelinho though.Third, dont tell me Hulk havent won fairly his place. Yes, back at the Olyics everybody wanted to see Lucas, but the places have changed. Hulk totally deserved his starting place. Oscar on the other hand, just make Ganso look stupid. We all that! Ganso did not lived up to the expectations, Oscar did.Fourth, I think you are misinderstanding. Nobody said he wont succeed or he is not inteligent or he is one dimensional. We are only saying Oscar is better (at least for now).Enough with Moura vs Oscar, lest just concentrate on Oscar here!Sorry about the name, i'm new at the forum, to be true, i never used one.Aw man, mates, i don't wanna be the boring guy that just talk about one player... But i have to talk in this one... I never ever was at Cotia, and never will, i am also a corinthians supporter. xDI said hype in the time that both were exploding... Lucas at São Paulo and Oscar for Internacional, as i said, Oscar played the sub-20 while Lucas was with the principal team... Never said that one was better than the other, just commenting about the hype.And yeah, Oscar was compared with Kaka and all, i remember, good times, São Paulo just kicked Liverpool lol.I agree with you, i totally think that he deserves the starting place. And yeah, Ganso is having a bad time, this, since he started to have a lot of injuries... But before that, for what he played in 2010, omg, i would pick him instead of Neymar. But then he become injuried, Oscar received his chance and used it like a boss. =DOh yeah, almost forgot, Hulk deserves his place, He saved Mano Menezes a lot... Er... i mean, Brazil, he saved Brazil. lolBut okay, i stop now, let's go back to Oscar, really class, until where do you guys think he will go? What type of player and how much will he develop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I knew, watching him in the Olympics that he'd be great for us, i fell in love with him before i ever saw him in a blue shirt. When he was given Didier's shirt number, i knew this guy was gonna have a big part to play. The impact he has mate alongside Mata and Hazard in that trio in such a short time has been stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I shall dedicate my 200th post to this guy. What a gem we've got on hands ladies and gentlemen. I have to second Ollie's love for this guy. So young, and so massively talented that it's unrealistic. What a player he'll be able to turn into. Wet dreams even thinking about the future Chelsea front 6.....Mikel - Ramires/De BruyneOscar - Mata - HazardBendtner (lol no, but choose any worldclass striker). Anyways, Oscar you magician. Keep up the performances. Even though this certainly wasn't his best game, he has so much to offer. It will surely be a treat follow Chelsea the next couple of years that's for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 As I said in the post match thread, they completely owned our midfield and our attack looked like crap after he came off.RDM took him off even though he was our best player out of the 4 forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 As I said in the post match thread, they completely owned our midfield and our attack looked like crap after he came off.RDM took him off even though he was our best player out of the 4 forwards.That had more to do with Liverpool being galvanised because of their equaliser and Rodgers changing the tactics. I do agree that he was the best forward though, always tried to get us going, unfortunately not everyone was on his wavelength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Have no idea why people were saying he was our best forward. He was our worst player in the first half.(His gamescore on whoscored.com was the worst on our team at that point-under 6) He gave the ball up easily way too often and his lack of physicality meant Liverpool players just took the ball off him a couple of times. He had a fantastic chance and missed the net by 10 feet. He had an excellent 10 minutes in the second half and then disappeared again. He was the right man to take off. Hazard was our most dangerous attacking player and Mata has been our best player all season. Not sure why Oscar's CL excellence hasn't really translated to the Premier League yet. It will happen, but it will take some adjusting. Stingray and Belgiannutt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He kept our attack flowing,created that chance at the end of the first half when Mata should have scored (or passed to Hazard),completed the midfield when Liverpool were on attack.Not to mention some great dribbling.He lost the ball just as much as Hazard and Mata if not less.Hazard the most dangerous?I thought this was one of his poorest performance for us, dribbled too much and his decision making in the final third wasn't good enough . robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Oscar was pretty classy against Livershite. The best of the 3 Amigos. klopfzeichen and Land 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Mata should've been subbed not Oscar.Juan had his worst game yesterday. Styles and DDA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitee 12 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 oscar is shit. he works only defensivily otherwise what has he done. he does nothing on the pitch.there are a lot of players like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Abramovich 175 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 oscar is shit. he works only defensivily otherwise what has he done. he does nothing on the pitch.there are a lot of players like him.This was an extremely dumb post. Funkyflashman, TacticalBlues, Joker10 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,957 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Probably a Spuds fan, still angry that they lost the Champions League place and Oscar to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiillowhobo 28 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 He kept our attack flowing,created that chance at the end of the first half when Mata should have scored (or passed to Hazard),completed the midfield when Liverpool were on attack.Not to mention some great dribbling.He lost the ball just as much as Hazard and Mata if not less.Hazard the most dangerous?I thought this was one of his poorest performance for us, dribbled too much and his decision making in the final third wasn't good enough .Not true. According to Whoscored.Com (http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/615017/Live) Oscar was 5 times dispossesed and caused 2 turnovers vs. 4 and 2 for Hazard and 5 and 1 for Mata. All that with 15 minutes less playing time than Hazard and Mata. Hazard had 5 succesfull dribbles, Oscar 2 and Mata 1. Hazard had 4 key passes, Mata 3 and Oscar 2. Besides all those numbers, I saw the game too and I did not find Oscar the best of the 3 maestro's. Belgiannutt and TorontoChelsea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I agree Hazard was the best of the 3 but he was still average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blu4Lyf 46 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Oscar and still yet to "wow" me with his distribution and has yet to control the game, which is what Hazard and Mata do when they're in the middle. Some glorious goals he's scored - absolutely, but I believe he has hurt us more than helped us so far. Since he's forced Hazard to the wing, he hasn't replicated any of his pre-Oscar performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitee 12 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 no english fan but i'm serious he's shit.no technique.no vision.no goal.i dont understand what you find like qualities for him.yes his hard work but that's all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 no english fan but i'm serious he's shit.no technique.no vision.no goal.i dont understand what you find like qualities for him.yes his hard work but that's allWell then buy some glasses, cuz you obviously dont see well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Oscar and still yet to "wow" me with his distribution and has yet to control the game, which is what Hazard and Mata do when they're in the middle. Some glorious goals he's scored - absolutely, but I believe he has hurt us more than helped us so far. Since he's forced Hazard to the wing, he hasn't replicated any of his pre-Oscar performances.How did you come to conclusion?Oscar is our best Maestro when it comes to controlling the game from the no.10 position, he is vital in our midfield and key in taking the possession battle. Just take the Swansea and Liverpool game for example, after he was subbed the opposition enjoyed their most successful moments in possession.Mata and Hazard both have been better in the final ball and creating goal scoring chances, in this area they have been much better.I would rank them in this order when comes to distribution and orchestrating the midfield:1. Oscar2. Mata3. HazardI hate these Oscar vs Mata vs Hazard discussions and usually don't care to get involved, but what you posted is completely wrong. Edited November 15, 2012 by Joker10 Dy-lan and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitee 12 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 are you serious? oscar first? ahhahaah it's too funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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