lionsden 4,689 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 On the flip side City fans probably say the exact same about Navas, Madrid fans probably say it about Carvahal or however you spell his name, Barca fans Rakitic etc etc.Wrong on Carvajal and Rakitic as they are one of the best performers at their respective clubs this season while Navas has flattered to decieve, City have other options like Nasri and Milner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I expect him to be dropped in big games. Especially away from home. That is why I am happy with the signing of Cuadrado. The counter-attacking threat of Hazard, Willian and Cuadrado will scare the life out of teams.Big teams press us more, Oscar is the worst of our attacking midfielders under pressure. He clearly suffers and ends up losing the ball a lot under pressure. Maybe he can improve, he's still has years ahead of him, comparing how Carzola could control the ball under city pressure and oscar in big matches you see a huge difference. Hopefully cuadrado is better than him in tight spaces and under pressure. stroey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm against to rule him out completely, because he is still useful against mid and small teams. But agree, he should be dropped against big teams, because I prefer we play 433. Actually he still could involved, if he is playing more deeper role though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supermonkey92 1,428 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I think we should See him for what he is, a good player against poor to decent teams. Bring in the big guns and he quickly reduces down to a player that wastes a space in the 11. I think he's a major culprit and my worries if our midfield in big games. Matic almost has to be a one man band in most big games, especially as Fabregas isn't that athletic. I think willian will move to the centre for the rest I'd the season (in big games) and if it still doesn't go as planned another midfielder (not a number 10 though) will he bought in the summer. That would be my planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cech's helmet 220 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 He had a bad game no doubt. But why is the openion of Willian is higher then Oscar on this forum?Any rationale fan would conclude that Oscar has had a much better season, and it is not even close. While Oscar was a passenger tonight, Willian has been a passanger all season.Oscar plays in his favorite position. Willian doesn't.Pretty sure Willian would be a totally different player for us if we play him in the middle. At least he can shield the ball and play with his back to the goal. "number 10 role" 101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Oscar plays in his favorite position. Willian doesn't.Pretty sure Willian would be a totally different player for us if we play him in the middle. At least he can shield the ball and play with his back to the goal. "number 10 role" 101.Jose did drop Oscar last season and try this, no doubt from shear desperation. It didn't work especially well. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Styles 9,790 Posted February 1, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted February 1, 2015 Jose did drop Oscar last season and try this, no doubt from shear desperation. It didn't work especially well.To be fair to Willian, we didn't have Costa or Fabregas then, and you can add Cuadrado into the mix now as well.I think Willian is a better complimentary player than Oscar because he does the basics better, something which was crystal clear in yesterday's game.Fabregas - Matic Cuadrado - Willian - Hazard Costa Interesting to see how that works. OhForAGreavsie, laura90, Peace. and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 To be fair to Willian, we didn't have Costa or Fabregas then, and you can add Cuadrado into the mix now as well.I think Willian is a better complimentary player than Oscar because he does the basics better, something which was crystal clear in yesterday's game.Fabregas - Matic Cuadrado - Willian - Hazard Costa Interesting to see how that works.Very fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 To be fair to Willian, we didn't have Costa or Fabregas then, and you can add Cuadrado into the mix now as well.I think Willian is a better complimentary player than Oscar because he does the basics better, something which was crystal clear in yesterday's game.Fabregas - Matic Cuadrado - Willian - Hazard Costa Interesting to see how that works.The problem with willian is I'm not sure his goal tally would improve up to Oscars level. Still think he's not as creative as oscar considering his goal/assists contribution, maybe its because he prefers being in the middle though. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakez 755 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 The problem with willian is I'm not sure his goal tally would improve up to Oscars level. Still think he's not as creative as oscar considering his goal/assists contribution, maybe its because he prefers being in the middle though.I think its mainly for the big games, Oscar is just too quiet there. In the other games Oscar should still be the main guy for the CAM position. CFC888, Barbara and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Oscar is not the only one who goes missing in big games, so does Cesc. IDK maybe Mou negative approach has something to do with it. The most positive we played in a big game was against arsenal, confidently both were fantastic and Oscar was by many considerd MOTM. DYC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Big teams press us more, Oscar is the worst of our attacking midfielders under pressure. He clearly suffers and ends up losing the ball a lot under pressure. Maybe he can improve, he's still has years ahead of him, comparing how Carzola could control the ball under city pressure and oscar in big matches you see a huge difference. Hopefully cuadrado is better than him in tight spaces and under pressure.Carzola is at the end of his development at 30 years old Oscar is 23 and when Santi was that age no one here knew of him.. Younger players need time and patience to develop .. We have the same members that want Oscar replaced also want Jose to bring players like baker boga rlc and solanke into the team.. If we were to do that and they show inconsistencies we'll be looking to buy a prospect from another team.. you can't ask for patience for certain players and completely right off others that hypocritical.. and by you I don't mean you in particular its a general YOU to the usual suspects that wait for a poor Oscar performance to come in his thread to suit their agenda Barbara and CFC888 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I think Cuadrado's shadow already influenced Willian's performances.Still it's a joke for people here to say Willian has been influencing our games more than Oscar, but well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how little sense it makes.With Ramires back on form, I'm curious to see what Mourinho will choose to do. He could deploy him in the pivot, and Cesc in the #10, but he could also deploy Rami as a RW (he loves to do that) because even having atrocious passing at times, Ramires brings more impact to the attack than Willian does and they offer the same work rate, running, pace that are important for our defending and pressing. On form, Ramires is already an upgrade to Willian.Time will tell if Cuadrado is going to play there on big games, but I wouldn't be surprised at all by Mourinho playing Mikel alongisde Matic, Cesc as #10 and Rami as RW - displacing both Oscar and Willian. We know Mourinho loves Ramires... If we had a player like Luiz to play in the pivot (because Mourinho knows quite well about Mikel's limitations) I would bet all my money on Ramires in the RW instead of Cuadrado, Willian or Oscar... but as we only have Mikel, it gives Willian and Cuadrado more chances to play because between Rami and Mikel in the pivot, I think Mourinho will still pick Rami, with the RW game being less likely. DH1988 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Carzola is at the end of his development at 30 years old Oscar is 23 and when Santi was that age no one here knew of him.. Younger players need time and patience to develop .. We have the same members that want Oscar replaced also want Jose to bring players like baker boga rlc and solanke into the team.. If we were to do that and they show inconsistencies we'll be looking to buy a prospect from another team.. you can't ask for patience for certain players and completely right off others that hypocritical.. and by you I don't mean you in particular its a general YOU to the usual suspects that wait for a poor Oscar performance to come in his thread to suit their agendaHey, hey, hey, more respect for Santi. A Villarreal legend and a fine player since a very young age, mind you.Oscar is a first team player and a starter for the most part. So he should be judged on his performances like any other player, regardless of his age. But yes, there is (most likely) more to come from Oscar and that's why I think it's silly to write him off. But not everyone rates him, that's okay. Though I think some are harsh concerning his season overall. But he has disappeared against the higher quality sides.Right now, Oscar is not good enough to be starter (not yet anyway) at this level so I would encourage a new signing for the #10 position in the summer. Willian is definitely not the answer imo. He might think he's a #10, though I've never heard him say so himself, but he doesn't suit the role. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 To be fair to Willian, we didn't have Costa or Fabregas then, and you can add Cuadrado into the mix now as well.I think Willian is a better complimentary player than Oscar because he does the basics better, something which was crystal clear in yesterday's game.Fabregas - Matic Cuadrado - Willian - Hazard Costa Interesting to see how that works.The only worry about Willian playing as a number 10 is his shocking final pass... Barbara and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH1988 1,348 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Oscar to PSG £40m Koke to ChelseaSummer 2015, please. Badboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Oscar to PSG £40m Koke to ChelseaSummer 2015, please.Koke not a n10 and Koke would essentially replace Cesc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Koke not a n10. Put him next to Matic, move Cesc to CAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Put him next to Matic, move Cesc to CAM.And have Cesc play the way Jose wants the cam to play? Highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Oscar to PSG £40m Koke to ChelseaSummer 2015, please.I like Koke but doubt he will leave Atletico any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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