The Skipper 20,609 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 that he is.He's also very inexperienced and young. Would he feel comfortable playing Barcelona in Spain? Or another European giant. Would Chelsea feel comfortable starting him in those already challenging conditions for experienced players?There is some degree of risk as SOTON are very small compared to Chelsea - they don't really compete in Europe.Shaw is mature beyond his years, I'm sure he'll be able to cope. He's beyond his years when it comes to maturity in play. Also, there are barely any bonafide world class left backs to begin with - off the top of my head I'd probably just include Marcelo, Alaba and maybe Alba as world class left backs - Luke Shaw could be for us what Alaba was for Bayern (who was thrown in quite relatively young but also played like he's been in the game for years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Shaw is mature beyond his years, I'm sure he'll be able to cope. He's beyond his years when it comes to maturity in play.Also, there are barely any bonafide world class left backs to begin with - off the top of my head I'd probably just include Marcelo, Alaba and maybe Alba as world class left backs - Luke Shaw could be for us what Alaba was for Bayern (who was thrown in quite relatively young but also played like he's been in the game for years).Alba and Marcelo arent worldclass at defending though. Alaba is both at great (as Lahm is if he plays LB). beside this, there arent many top LBs out their, as you pointed out. Shaw and Rodriguez would be the best options for the summer I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenza666 221 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Shaw is mature beyond his years, I'm sure he'll be able to cope. He's beyond his years when it comes to maturity in play.Also, there are barely any bonafide world class left backs to begin with - off the top of my head I'd probably just include Marcelo, Alaba and maybe Alba as world class left backs - Luke Shaw could be for us what Alaba was for Bayern (who was thrown in quite relatively young but also played like he's been in the game for years).Ricardo Rodriguez and Alberto Moreno, havent watched the latter but he is highly rated Spanish LB scouted by both Chelsea and United. Rodriguez has been one of the best LBs in Germany alongside Alaba has a better interception and crossing rate as well compared to Shaw. there were some rumours we may have been trying to get first option on Rodriguez hence delay in the KDB deal. but dont want Shaw has the PL experience factor and dont want him going at all to United, so yea snap him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. 2,742 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 we are well in the driving seat with him i feel, Chelsea fan, wants to play for them, and he is a Kingston boy so he would be coming home so to speak aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Ricardo Rodriguez looks quality too I agree. Under any other circumstances I would be crying out for him. But Shaw is English, and we need some more English players because 1) We're an English club and 2) We need it to fill a quota for competitions. On top of that, I don't think Shaw is any worse than Rodriguez (remember Rodriguez is playing in a poorer league), so for me Shaw all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Ricardo Rodriguez looks quality too I agree. Under any other circumstances I would be crying out for him. But Shaw is English, and we need some more English players because 1) We're an English club and 2) We need it to fill a quota for competitions. On top of that, I don't think Shaw is any worse than Rodriguez (remember Rodriguez is playing in a poorer league), so for me Shaw all day.Bundesliga is not far off from EPL. Besides the one team dominating, 2-5 are all great teams. I like Rodriguez better than Shaw, and he'd probably cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nofacej 132 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I haven't seen Shaw play much, but I know for sure, however good he is now, he'd only going to get better under the instruction of Mourinho. Just look at what Mourinho's done for Cahill.It would be really nice to see a backline with three Englishmen in it as well. The problem for me is I think Azpi has been fantastic and doesn't deserve to be second choice, and on the flip side Shaw is at a point in his career where he should be starting matches as well. It's a similar problem to the Courtois/Cech one where both are too good to be second choice, but the timing is very poor for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 All this talk about Rodriguez amazes me. Even if he signs, he will take a time frame to adapt to the physicality and rhythm of the PL considering his age and lack of experience, Shaw on the other hand is proven PL material. The extra money paid is going to be worth it.Anyone other than Shaw is a step back considering Manures are trying to pry him away from Soton as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 All this talk about Rodriguez amazes me. Even if he signs, he will take a time frame to adapt to the physicality and rhythm of the PL considering his age and lack of experience, Shaw on the other hand is proven PL material. The extra money paid is going to be worth it.Anyone other than Shaw is a step back considering Manures are trying to pry him away from Soton as well.and shaw will have to take time to accomodate playing for a top-club with much more pressure and more games etc. Rodriguez is more experienced though. and I would say the change between swiss-league and german league is far bigger than between EPL and Bundesliga. Look at Mata and Co: they where (physically) much much less made for the EPL and still they adapted with ease. Someone like Navas, who was homesick, adapted to the league with ease and he is physically far less compatible than Rodriguez. This argument is just made up I think and a lot of players have proven it in the last years. English league isnt that much harder or faster than other leagues anymore and players integrate themselves with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 All this talk about Rodriguez amazes me. Even if he signs, he will take a time frame to adapt to the physicality and rhythm of the PL considering his age and lack of experience, Shaw on the other hand is proven PL material. The extra money paid is going to be worth it.Anyone other than Shaw is a step back considering Manures are trying to pry him away from Soton as well. and shaw will have to take time to accomodate playing for a top-club with much more pressure and more games etc. Rodriguez is more experienced though. and I would say the change between swiss-league and german league is far bigger than between EPL and Bundesliga. Look at Mata and Co: they where (physically) much much less made for the EPL and still they adapted with ease. Someone like Navas, who was homesick, adapted to the league with ease and he is physically far less compatible than Rodriguez. This argument is just made up I think and a lot of players have proven it in the last years. English league isnt that much harder or faster than other leagues anymore and players integrate themselves with ease.Exactly. Switching from Bundesliga to EPL isn't that drastic. People like to make the EPL seem like a rugby league or something when it's not. Top players can adjust with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I've never had to go from playing in the Bundesliga to playing in the BPL so I can't really comment on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 He's also very inexperienced and young. Would he feel comfortable playing Barcelona in Spain? Or another European giant. Would Chelsea feel comfortable starting him in those already challenging conditions for experienced players?We must, otherwise how would he get the necessary experience? The other option would be to buy an established and experienced player and be done with it, but that would just show that the club really aren't serious with all this talk about promoting youth, unless you're a young wonderkid on the radar of every major club in the world. There's a big difference between trusting the Hazards and Oscars of this world and then the Shaws. Plus he's English and Chelsea are an English club, so for me he would be a very good signing replacing an englishman with an englishman. Otherwise we'd be forced to meet the home-grown quota by registering a bunch of no-hopers on the team sheet and have no real use of them. Plus you have to realize that those huge European games come along every now and then a year, it's not like he's gonna play Bayern or Barca every single week, he'd be playing mostly against worse English sides, which he has done with success already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 and shaw will have to take time to accomodate playing for a top-club with much more pressure and more games etc. Rodriguez is more experienced though. and I would say the change between swiss-league and german league is far bigger than between EPL and Bundesliga. Look at Mata and Co: they where (physically) much much less made for the EPL and still they adapted with ease. Someone like Navas, who was homesick, adapted to the league with ease and he is physically far less compatible than Rodriguez. This argument is just made up I think and a lot of players have proven it in the last years. English league isnt that much harder or faster than other leagues anymore and players integrate themselves with ease.Still, Shaw comes with much more PL experience and wouldn't fumble playing for a big side given the opportunity. From what I've seen he is more mature than most 20 year olds.He also gives us another HGP. Makes him the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haranr 485 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Shaw will end up in Chelsea at some point no matter what (If he will be good enough of course like it seems nowadays). He is a Chelsea fan and will sure want to play for Chelsea one day. EVEN and I highlight the word "even" he signs for United/City/Liverpool/Arsenal. I am sure we will get him off them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Still, Shaw comes with much more PL experience and wouldn't fumble playing for a big side given the opportunity. From what I've seen he is more mature than most 20 year olds.He also gives us another HGP. Makes him the better option.As I said, i think the "pl experience" fact is massively overrated. It aint like Rodriguez is a lightweight skinny guy, who has to put some muscles on to shape himself for the EPL. physically, he is perfect for the EPL (big, strong, fast). yes, he will have to learn, that the EPL is maybe faster and at times more intense than the Bundesliga, but the difference aint that big like people make it out to be. And Rodriguez is playing against teams like Bayern or Dortmund or Schalke (well if you count them in), so he know how to play against big teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 As I said, i think the "pl experience" fact is massively overrated. It aint like Rodriguez is a lightweight skinny guy, who has to put some muscles on to shape himself for the EPL. physically, he is perfect for the EPL (big, strong, fast). yes, he will have to learn, that the EPL is maybe faster and at times more intense than the Bundesliga, but the difference aint that big like people make it out to be. And Rodriguez is playing against teams like Bayern or Dortmund orhe Schalke (well if you count them in), so he know how to play against big teams.The argument was between Shaw and Rodriguez. There is always a question if someone is gonna do well in the PL especially for young players. Shaw has proven he can do well and with the likes of Rodriguez, there is always a question of 'can he do well?'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 People are watching Wolfsburg games for Ricardo Rodriguez now lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Bundesliga is not far off from EPL. Besides the one team dominating, 2-5 are all great teams. I like Rodriguez better than Shaw, and he'd probably cheaper.Bundesliga is nowhere near the quality of the EPL sorry mate... Dortmund and Munich are amazing, Leverkusen and Schalke are alright, everyone else is awful. Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs and maybe Southampton are all better than Schalke and Leverkusen, the Premier League is the most competitive in Europe. Not laying in to you, just giving what I see as facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Jose Mourinho expects Chelsea transfers for Luke Shaw and Edinson Cavani BEFORE the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodIsBlue 291 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Jose Mourinho expects Chelsea transfers for Luke Shaw and Edinson Cavani BEFORE the World CupThe Article isn't worth much but we can keep out fingers crossed. Not happy about the selling Lukaku bit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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