Clockwork 1,794 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The scoreline might not have reflected it but we did destroy City away, Liverpool and Arsenal at home last season. They were some of our best performances in recent years.True but i was talking about this season though. Sheva. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 we also beat Spurs at home with ease.Spurs are a big team? (didn't mention that because they simply capitulated. practically gave us the win. those City, Liverpool and Arsenal games were far more impressive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 True but i was talking about this season though.Thing is we have shown the capability to do it. It's just that we couldn't produce the same level of performances this season for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thing is we have shown the capability to do it. It's just that we couldn't produce the same level of performances this season for one reason or another.Because we changed the team?Last seasons team was good in big games and couldn't break the bus, the opposite this season.They still got results tbf to them, but the performances were mostly meh. The Chels and DYC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Spurs are a big team? (didn't mention that because they simply capitulated. practically gave us the win. those City, Liverpool and Arsenal games were far more impressive)no but clockwork said we never destroyed them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 ThisThe lack of options when oscar and fabregas lost form and Remy always getting injured when costa couldn't play killed our momentum.If we had a central midfielder like koke we would have not felt fabregas impact on our passing game.If we had reus on the right wing, Willian could come to the middle and replace oscar smoothly in the 2nd part of the season.Then we had to use drogba because Remy and Costa couldn't stay fit. Annoying reallyThis would be best. I think Schweinsteiger could have a Ballack-like impact on the squad; he can be defensive or creative. He would not curtail RLC or Ake's development either due to his age. His lack of pace does not matter, Fabregas and Matic are only slightly quicker.It would give us these options. Matic Schweini Fabregas That can either be a bus breaker or a really balanced midfield, depending on how you instruct Schweinsteiger to play. Probably would be our strongest midfield - its only weakness would be lack of pace. Matic Schweini Schweinsteiger is DLP. Oscar Schweini RLC Schweini holds. RLC b2b, Cesc is 10. Matic can be rested without completely debalancing the mid. Cesc Matic Schweini Would be the most defensive. WillianFor me he would be a fantastic signing. Him and Reus. kellzfresh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Thing is we have shown the capability to do it. It's just that we couldn't produce the same level of performances this season for one reason or another.Fabregas instead of David Luiz ? The Chels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I really enjoyed watching him operate in the middle of the pitch against Sunderland. Made me think of what the possibilities would be with Reus - Hazard - Willian kellzfresh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouletje 82 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I really enjoyed watching him operate in the middle of the pitch against Sunderland. Made me think of what the possibilities would be with Reus - Hazard - WillianAtm Reus is a player returning from injury, not to fixate on you alone because many of us share your opinion here but i fail to see why a player struggling to be consistant(missing the world cup/barely any playing time this season) could be of higher value than Willian has been on the right wing this season.Maybe in the long run yes, but not next season, he just won't give us that extra we need.And when we speak in the longer run, there's enough viable options for that in the youth team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Atm Reus is a player returning from injury, not to fixate on you alone because many of us share your opinion here but i fail to see why a player struggling to be consistant(missing the world cup/barely any playing time this season) could be of higher value than Willian has been on the right wing this season.Maybe in the long run yes, but not next season, he just won't give us that extra we need.And when we speak in the longer run, there's enough viable options for that in the youth team.I have Willian in the Right Wing position and I have Reus because he can score goals. I know all about his injuries and his recovery, watching Hazard made me think... That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chels 2,502 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 There's no way we'd destroy Real Madrid. They can pen teams in very well and given how we often struggle with our transitions from defence to attack against such teams then we'd have big problems creating anything meaningful. lionsden 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Fabregas instead of David Luiz ?That is it. In Jose's system, especially in big games, we need another power player in the pivot next to Matic. Ramires doesn't work. commilin, kellzfresh and Barbara 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 That is it. In Jose's system, especially in big games, we need another power player in the pivot next to Matic. Ramires doesn't work.People underestimate size in midfield with quality in possession. We used to have essien, ballack and lampard in midfield or Tiago, Makelele, lampard. Now Juventus have used the same model of having big physical quality passing midfielders and are dominating big teams like we used to in 2005 stroey, Barbara and The Skipper 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Interesting. 3-3 in aggregate vs PSG and losing to Atletico last year. 3-3 vs PSG again this year yet capable of tearing Real a new one. So either you think Real are easier to beat then PSG or failing to beat PSG was simply down to poor luck?I'd say Chelsea are tough to beat, but also find it hard to beat quality teams.What a weird way to 'equate' things. By that logic, Bradford would have taken the EPL by storm! I think the way we play is perfect to counter Madrid who had very large and obvious wholes in their system this season that I am confident we would have been able ro exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Because we changed the team?Last seasons team was good in big games and couldn't break the bus, the opposite this season.They still got results tbf to them, but the performances were mostly meh.That and also because we're trying to change the playing style. Our pragmatism from start to finish last season suited us when it came to the big games. This time around, we're still trying to find the balance between both approaches with some new additions in the team.Another ironic thing is that, last season we had a strong squad depth and it gave us options to change things. This season, less options and we couldn't change much. Usually only in the pivot and the No.10 position. Sheva. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Because we changed the team?Last seasons team was good in big games and couldn't break the bus, the opposite this season.They still got results tbf to them, but the performances were mostly meh.I think Mou sqw how important the title was this time and prioritised flat track bullying our way there and safe to say job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic weeds 446 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I agree, we really haven't destroyed any of City, United, Arse, Pool. Spuds. So not sure how anyone can claim we can destroy Madrid.But i do think Madrid plays to our strength.Well, Stoke city completely "destroyed" Liverpool, Leicester "destroyed" United. Does it mean they can "destroy" RM or Juv? We confortably beat those epl teams last year. What did we do in the CL? CL games are quite odd. Trust me, after the group stages, anyone can beat anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Again it's not about individuals although of course that helps. This year we would have probably tore that Madrid side a new one despite all the names they had because their system was not working. I dont think so. Real is weak in midfeild and defense without Modric and they show that when being pressed. We would certainly play very deep against them. They would open us wide...Ronaldo vs Iva etc. Even if we scored against them, they woul score more.If we pressed them high, then who knows. But we didnt play like that against any top team so I doubt we would against RM. It would be tight at best, but we wouldnt tore them a new one. Even if we could, Mou tactics wouldnt allow that.You are right about wining CL tho. Teams will always prevail against individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I dont think so. Real is weak in midfeild and defense without Modric and they show that when being pressed. We would certainly play very deep against them. They would open us wide...Ronaldo vs Iva etc. Even if we scored against them, they woul score more.If we pressed them high, then who knows. But we didnt play like that against any top team so I doubt we would against RM. It would be tight at best, but we wouldnt tore them a new one. Even if we could, Mou tactics wouldnt allow that.You are right about wining CL tho. Teams will always prevail against individuals.The manager's are an under rated aspect of the game, I would have strongly fancied Mous chances of outsmarting Carlo.Also he came to The Bridge with Inter and went for it and vs Liverpool last season as two recent examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The manager's are an under rated aspect of the game, I would have strongly fancied Mous chances of outsmarting Carlo.Also he came to The Bridge with Inter and went for it and vs Liverpool last season as two recent examples.IMO this team isnt ''grown up'' enough to fully suit Mou tactics. In inter, for example he had 11 players that perfectly fitted into his tactics, any opponent given. In current team, we have Cesc who is pretty much useless at dictating tempo in big games, then there is our attack that is simply not efficient enough. We create alot, score alot, but also miss damn too many chances at one on one, or making stupid decision in final third. For example, Inter on counter attack, they had Milito, Etoo and Sneijder, anyone of three would score in like 90% chances, if 1vs1. In our team, cant say same for Oscar, Willian, even Hazard.But in few years, our team could end up very very connected and efficient, with all key players improving.Obviously its kinda pointless to discuss who would win, ball is round, then there is daily form, bit of luck, etc...but point is Real when fully fit is still quite better team than ours IMO.I wouldnt even count Liverpool as example when you compare to RM though yuvala 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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