Popular Post! Stingray 9,441 Posted May 18, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted May 18, 2015 Stats:2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15 season stats of both:Appearances-GoalsHazard: 62-13, 49-17, 49-19Reus: 47-19, 43-23, 24-11Buts its ok...carry on because Hazard is a Chelsea player he is the 3rd best in the world after Messi and Ronaldo not even a debate init. Now wait until people start to talk about how stats are useless and Hazard dribble more track back more and all the other reasons.Maybe it is hard to prove who is better, but outright dismissive of the argument just because Hazard is a Chelsea player is just There is also the fact you make us sound like a selling, plastic club without a heart. This isn't stratego or risk. It is fucking football with real fucking people. You would really just dispose of our best player for a new toy? How do you think that would change the atmosphere in the dressing room. What would it do for our image and our fans. Also, he is our creative spark, what would be the result of losing that? Can Reus fill that gap? You just dont have a helicopter view. You see chess pieces that can be moved but fail to comprehend the game. Really, really autistic post. Reus can come - sure, he is class - but not when you sell your star in the process because it even out the financial books. Dude ..... Hostedenis, Madmax, commilin and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I always thank the stars that MrBlueGuy isn't our manager. Blue-in-me-Veins, iseah100 and Stingray 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Surprise surprise, Hazard leads in much more 'than just dribbles', though Reus is an absolute quality player. The numbers don't lie.It's amazing just how strong the new toy syndrome is for some when it comes to transfer rumours. Nevermind that Hazard is settled here and has the team built around him - hey, Reus and Gotze and cash looks appealing on paper so let's flog him. We should be looking to add Reus to Hazard; we're Chelsea, not Spurs.And then there's his amazing first touch and overall ball control, his excellent link-up play, his ability to keep the ball under pressure, his comfort and ability to cause damage in the tightest of spaces, his ability to turn away from his marker with his first touch to create space and time for himself on the ball and move forward. And there's still plenty of room for improvement for Hazard.That last part might not sound very important to some but it is. Why? Because it allows him to receive the ball with his back to goal. Most players are forced to either control the ball and pass it back, or pass it back immediately, whenever they receive the ball with their back to goal with a marker close behind them. This makes you a lot easier to defend. A defender does not know whether to mark a player like Hazard tightly or loosely. And when he does turn away directly, they're often forced to foul him. His awareness of his surroundings and speed of thought is incredible. Compare this to Fabregas for example, who often has to drop very deep to receive the ball, so he's unmarked and can turn his face to goal. Willian can't do it either.It's a very special skill, and it's these kind of abilities that make the simple use of stats (not even stats, just goals and assists) to asses the quality of a player idiotic. dUMB, Peppi85 and Stingray 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 There is also the fact you make us sound like a selling, plastic club without a heart. This isn't stratego or risk. It is fucking football with real fucking people. You would really just dispose of our best player for a new toy? How do you think that would change the atmosphere in the dressing room. What would it do for our image and our fans. Also, he is our creative spark, what would be the result of losing that? Can Reus fill that gap? You just dont have a helicopter view. You see chess pieces that can be moved but fail to comprehend the game.Really, really autistic post. Reus can come - sure, he is class - but not when you sell your star in the process because it even out the financial books.Yes players are just employees of the club, we sell when it is needed. There is no connection or any of that as much as the fans think. I mean look at Mata, winning player of the year for 2 seasons and out after 6 months of the next...that is how quickly things change in football. I didn't say we should activately sell him, only if HE WANTS TO LEAVE and THEY OFFER WHAT IS MENTIONED IN THE PAPER. IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE WE SHOULD TAKE IT AS IT IS A PRETTY GOOD OFFER. NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING TO GET IT on our part.And to answer your question, yes Reus will fill that part. Either him or someone else which I am sure the club and Jose will identify if Hazard leaves. He is not a God, if he wants and decides to leave eventually we will move on just like we always have. We are not Hazard FC or a one man team, ANYONE CAN BE REPLACED whether that is Courtois/Matic/Fabregas/Hazard or Costa as long as we spend the money wisely, even if Jose leaves it will also be no the end of the world either as there are options like Klopp,Pep,Simeone,Ancelotti...etc out there but none of this is relevance to Hazard discussion.Basically to sum up my point is that if he wants to go and they offer a big fee, we will and should take it. If he doesn't then this conversation is a bit pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Yes players are just employees of the club, we sell when it is needed. There is no connection or any of that as much as the fans think. I mean look at Mata, winning player of the year for 2 seasons and out after 6 months of the next...that is how quickly things change in football. I didn't say we should activately sell him, only if HE WANTS TO LEAVE and THEY OFFER WHAT IS MENTIONED IN THE PAPER. IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE WE SHOULD TAKE IT AS IT IS A PRETTY GOOD OFFER. NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING TO GET IT on our part.And to answer your question, yes Reus will fill that part. Either him or someone else which I am sure the club and Jose will identify if Hazard leaves. He is not a God, if he wants and decides to leave eventually we will move on just like we always have. We are not Hazard FC or a one man team, ANYONE CAN BE REPLACED whether that is Courtois/Matic/Fabregas/Hazard or Costa as long as we spend the money wisely, even if Jose leaves it will also be no the end of the world either as there are options like Klopp,Pep,Simeone,Ancelotti...etc out there but none of this is relevance to Hazard discussion.Basically to sum up my point is that if he wants to go and they offer a big fee, we will and should take it. If he doesn't then this conversation is a bit pointless He does not want to go. That is the whole point he signed a new contract. He is more than happy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Wait, WBA play the Liquidator too?Edit - Ugh, wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 He does not want to go. That is the whole point he signed a new contract. He is more than happy here.Atm yes but who knows if they offer 100m and pay him £300k per week or something. In football contracts mean f.a really, especially at big clubs like us who don't keep players who don't want to be here.But then people are atm upset about the fact that they don't want anyone else to be compared with Hazard because he is our best player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michalcfc 69 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Wait, WBA play the Liquidator too?Yes, and 1 team from scottish PL i think Madmax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Yes, and 1 team from scottish PL i thinkYour avatar makes me feel physically sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Yes players are just employees of the club, we sell when it is needed. There is no connection or any of that as much as the fans think. I mean look at Mata, winning player of the year for 2 seasons and out after 6 months of the next...that is how quickly things change in football. I didn't say we should activately sell him, only if HE WANTS TO LEAVE and THEY OFFER WHAT IS MENTIONED IN THE PAPER. IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE WE SHOULD TAKE IT AS IT IS A PRETTY GOOD OFFER. NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING TO GET IT on our part.And to answer your question, yes Reus will fill that part. Either him or someone else which I am sure the club and Jose will identify if Hazard leaves. He is not a God, if he wants and decides to leave eventually we will move on just like we always have. We are not Hazard FC or a one man team, ANYONE CAN BE REPLACED whether that is Courtois/Matic/Fabregas/Hazard or Costa as long as we spend the money wisely, even if Jose leaves it will also be no the end of the world either as there are options like Klopp,Pep,Simeone,Ancelotti...etc out there but none of this is relevance to Hazard discussion.Basically to sum up my point is that if he wants to go and they offer a big fee, we will and should take it. If he doesn't then this conversation is a bit pointless ARE YOU SURE???????? [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hazard has been average since we beat manutd. Either my friend is right that he's had few good matches when oscar doesn't play Or he is playing without desire when there's no competition like he does in pre-season Or he's tired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamad138 190 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hazard has been average since we beat manutd. Either my friend is right that he's had few good matches when oscar doesn't play Or he is playing without desire when there's no competition like he does in pre-season Or he's tiredHe is playing with no desire. He even went to holidays last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 People acting like they'd prefer him being important in non - important matches, rather than the games hes pulled us by the scruff of the neck. Really fickle lot. manpe and dUMB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Stats:2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15 season stats of both:Appearances-GoalsHazard: 62-13, 49-17, 49-19Reus: 47-19, 43-23, 24-11Buts its ok...carry on because Hazard is a Chelsea player he is the 3rd best in the world after Messi and Ronaldo not even a debate init. Now wait until people start to talk about how stats are useless and Hazard dribble more track back more and all the other reasons.Maybe it is hard to prove who is better, but outright dismissive of the argument just because Hazard is a Chelsea player is just Thr funny thing is that if we do lose Hazard and gain Reus this summer you would probably be championing Hazard and talking down Reus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouletje 82 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yes players are just employees of the club, we sell when it is needed. There is no connection or any of that as much as the fans think. I mean look at Mata, winning player of the year for 2 seasons and out after 6 months of the next...that is how quickly things change in football. I didn't say we should activately sell him, only if HE WANTS TO LEAVE and THEY OFFER WHAT IS MENTIONED IN THE PAPER. IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE WE SHOULD TAKE IT AS IT IS A PRETTY GOOD OFFER. NOT ACTIVELY LOOKING TO GET IT on our part.And to answer your question, yes Reus will fill that part. Either him or someone else which I am sure the club and Jose will identify if Hazard leaves. He is not a God, if he wants and decides to leave eventually we will move on just like we always have. We are not Hazard FC or a one man team, ANYONE CAN BE REPLACED whether that is Courtois/Matic/Fabregas/Hazard or Costa as long as we spend the money wisely, even if Jose leaves it will also be no the end of the world either as there are options like Klopp,Pep,Simeone,Ancelotti...etc out there but none of this is relevance to Hazard discussion.Basically to sum up my point is that if he wants to go and they offer a big fee, we will and should take it. If he doesn't then this conversation is a bit pointless Yeah let's Allow hazard to leave, an absolute top player, for a recently injury prone, lesser player. No, not in a million years, your line of thought is more suitable for a mid table team not the leader of the premier league. Pacquiao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 What if I told you that Hazard is playing shit recently because his head is already in Real Madrid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 What if I told you that Hazard is playing shit recently because his head is already in Real Madrid? Not a chance, the way he's playing of late would scare off suitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlueGuy 1,552 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Yeah let's Allow hazard to leave, an absolute top player, for a recently injury prone, lesser player.No, not in a million years, your line of thought is more suitable for a mid table team not the leader of the premier league.So if he wants to leave we will go Liverpool-Suarez style on him that is the behavior of a mid table team...remember the key is IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouletje 82 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 So if he wants to leave we will go Liverpool-Suarez style on him that is the behavior of a mid table team...remember the key is IF HE WANTS TO LEAVE.That's a lot of pointless speculation on your behalf then, I haven't read or seen anywhere that he's looking for a transfer. So as I said, pointless speculations. That aside, your opinion on the injury prone Reus being the better attacking player of the two is shared by very few, it might be interesting for you to overthink that view since it's not a very commonly shared one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 We should not sell him ever. If he becomes one of the best (even better than now) and we manage to keep him, it would cement our status as one of biggest teams in world.When player becomes too big for club he leaves. But no player is bigger than Real or Barca. If Hazard stays here, despite his quality, it would tell alot about how big we have become.But I have this sad feeling at one point he will move. Like CR did. Unless his love for Chelsea becomes too big. I hope for the later. dUMB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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