Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I'm aware of that, but he wouldn't thrive IMO. If he built up and removed the play acting; that's a different story.Of course he'd thrive here. He'd be one of the biggest stars of the Premier League.I don't remember the last time that someone of Neymar's ability and such quality has failed in the Premier League. This league is usually kind for quality players no matter their posture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Of course he'd thrive here. He'd be one of the biggest stars of the Premier League.I don't remember the last time that someone of Neymar's ability and such quality has failed in the Premier League. This league is usually kind for quality players no matter their posture.Robinho?Both meant to be the new Pele, both were stars for Santos, and both moved to Spain. Robinho came to England and flopped, so who's to say the same wouldn't happen to Neymar?Everything discussed is just opinions and assumptions. If Neymar continues to follow Robinho's path, this conversation might have some substance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Hkibou 622 Posted April 7, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fact 1 : Hazard and Neymar are both incredibly gifted players.Fact 2 : It seems that none of them has reached his ceiling yet.Fact 3 : Hazard and Neymar, while playing in the same area (left-wing), endorse a completely different role for their respective teams. In fact, they could very well play in the same team without treading on each other's toes. Fact 4 and the most important one : not only it is impossible to figure out which one is better than the other, it is completely nonsensical. I will say this though, I only know Neymar, the player. But I know Eden Hazard, the person. And I daresay, who you are as a person is as important for a competent coach, as who you are as a player. In the case of Hazard, he has everything as a human being to be the perfect team partner. He is humble, joyful, forgiving, hard-working, loyal and generous. He is mature, and a loving husband and father, and never drinks or party too much despite his young age and luxury wages.He doesn't think he is above anyone in the team despite being its obvious best player. He is not a diva, even if some media would have liked him to be. That's why on the pitch, he doesn't cheat. Doesn't get angry, doesn't try to take justice into his own hands and always respect the referee (as well as the opponent) however mistaken/unfair he may be in his decisions. Also, he would never place his personal interests above the team or the club's interests.That is what makes me think that Hazard has something more than other players of similar talent. This and the fact that Hazard never gets injured, despite being constantly fouled. I don't say that Neymar is not like Hazard in that way, maybe he is I don't know him as a human being. But as long as I won't have proofs that Neymar is as great a human being Hazard is, I would choose Hazard over Neymar in a heart beat, no matter how many goals Neymar scored his last season. polleforever, Stats, Essien19 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Those stats were from all comps and I don't quite understand why are you ignoring Neymar's impact in international football? Maybe because he's light years ahead of Hazard in that aspect? About putting in a defensive shift- let's admit that Neymar is more of a forward and Hazard is more of a midfielder. It's not like Neymar doesn't support his fullback at all though. When on form, Neymar is absolutely running riot and is very tough to contain with his unpredictability.In all honesty, I think Hazard would be a better fit for Barcelona but Neymar is clearly the better player overall, at the club level as well as the international level.I think Skip wins as well. Your Logic is flawed. You think its normal Hazard puts in a defensive shift cause he is a midfielder, yet you do count and compare goals ..... How come the position is taken out of the equation here? It looks like you are looking for arguments to simply back up your own beliefs. Its called a self serving bias - just so you know. Beigl, iseah100 and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Colored Sky 1,807 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Robinho?Both meant to be the new Pele, both were stars for Santos, and both moved to Spain. Robinho came to England and flopped, so who's to say the same wouldn't happen to Neymar?Everything discussed is just opinions and assumptions. If Neymar continues to follow Robinho's path, this conversation might have some substance.He scored 14 goals in the league in his first season in England, so he didn't flop at all.What happened in his second season ?What I know is that EVERYONE in EVERYWHERE is going to tell you that he had an attitude problems. You can't help them.Everyone may have an opinion, but quality players that comes to England are doing very well, especially those from La Liga. This league is particularly kind for the players with high technical ability to flourish here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cármenes 21 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I think Skip wins as well. Your Logic is flawed. You think its normal Hazard puts in a defensive shift cause he is a midfielder, yet you do count and compare goals ..... How come the position is taken out of the equator here?It looks like you are looking for arguments to simply back up your own beliefs. Its called a self serving bias - just so you know.Do you think Hazard is a better overall player than Neymar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Do you think Hazard is a better overall player than Neymar?Yes. But there is no way in saying it is clear cut, it isn't.My question for you: what team you like best: Chelsea or Barca? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Well, if you guys think about it suarez ran the show at liverpool and now is either option 2 or 3 are a superior team, yet, only managed 8 goals so far for barcelona. Bale to the same respect had a inferior spurs squad, yet managed amazing stats, and went to madrid as option 2 or 3 and hasn't really lived up to their expectations. So, neymar can have suarez, messi and whoever, but suarez stats never improved from liverpool. In addition, Suarez is in his prime, whileas Neymar is far from it. Also, hazard isn't the man in belgium and his stats are far from good... So, even though hazard had inferior players on chelsea, the fact he is the "man" of the team really is the best position for him to get stats and "create."You can argue that Mata had torres as well, but he went to united with a team that had a better attacking options as well in rooney, rvp, falcao, herrara, Di maria, yet, isn't anywhere close to getting the same stats as in 2012. cármenes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atholy 1,293 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Eden Hazard ... bla bla Messi.... bla bla better than Neymar ... fewer goals than Ronaldo.... bla bla.... Guys Eden Hazard is Eden Hazard. Why don't we stop comparing players and just enjoy the fact we have a diamond in our team who gives us joy and happiness every weekend!!!ps: I frankly don't care about Messi, Ronaldo or Neymar because the are NOT in OUR team! ps 2: maybe you should check the grass of your neighbors garden... will probably be greener than yours! Stingray, ZOS and commilin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cármenes 21 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes. But there is no way in saying it is clear cut, it isn't.My question for you: what team you like best: Chelsea or Barca?Barca is my team. I don't like Chelsea but respect every club. And I love Hazard and think he'd be a better fit for Barca than Neymar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 He scored 14 goals in the league in his first season in England, so he didn't flop at all.What happened in his second season ?What I know is that EVERYONE in EVERYWHERE is going to tell you that he had an attitude problems. You can't help them.Everyone may have an opinion, but quality players that comes to England are doing very well, especially those from La Liga. This league is particularly kind for the players with high technical ability to flourish here.I judge a player on more than one season. He had the ability to become WC, but went for the money. As I stated before, I don't doubt his ability. His attitude (diving, play acting, etc) are the things that make me doubt him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Neymar is a diving cunt. Fits perfectly at Barcelona. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Yes. But there is no way in saying it is clear cut, it isn't.My question for you: what team you like best: Chelsea or Barca?He's spanish with a pep picture as his profile...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Hazard and NeymarBoth beasts!We have Hazard, would we also want Neymar? Yes, of course. In lieu of Hazard? Hell no.Barca have Neymar, would they also want Hazard? Yes, of course. In lieu of Neymar? Hell no.Also whoever posted that Hazard is a better human is again cause you know Hazard better than Neymar. Neymar as a KID has been thrown all the pressure of the greatest footballing country on his shoulders and dude has taken it in his stride and I've always seen him with a smile, someone who loves football. Yeah, he dives and cries but that's part of football unfortunately, doesn't make him a bad human.I think both are the top 2 young attacking talents in world football without question, no one else comes close.It's very close right now between them but I think Hazard is definitely the more complete player but the lack of goals is something you just can't overlook. Neymar is without a shadow of doubt a much much better goalscorer. Can Neymar ever become as complete as Hazard? I doubt it. Can Hazard become as good a goal-scorer? Yes. communicate and DYC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 He's spanish with a pep picture as his profile......Its called irony Milan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Robinho?Both meant to be the new Pele, both were stars for Santos, and both moved to Spain. Robinho came to England and flopped, so who's to say the same wouldn't happen to Neymar?Everything discussed is just opinions and assumptions. If Neymar continues to follow Robinho's path, this conversation might have some substance.Robinho kind of flopped a bit everywhere, no? Never became a true star. Oscar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Robinho kind of flopped a bit everywhere, no? Never became a true star.I agree. He had the potential to be a great, but his attitude was his downfall. Seems to be the case for quite a few Brazilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar 441 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I agree. He had the potential to be a great, but his attitude was his downfall. Seems to be the case for quite a few Brazilians.Different mentality.A lot of them grew very poor. However, they start making money and realize training and football is second to partying and fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cármenes 21 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Neymar is a diving cunt. Fits perfectly at Barcelona. Kisses and hugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Different mentality.A lot of them grew very poor. However, they start making money and realize training and football is second to partying and fame. Possibly that, but agents should guiding them to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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