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[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Why is everyone so insistent on Chelsea needing a RW? Has everyone become Roy Hodgson and become obsessed with formation discipline? What you need on a squad are roles. Chelsea have Hazard and Mata to create up front and Lampard to create from deeper. Teams don't have or need four players setting up the attack. In fact, that becomes a problem because when you have too many people wanting the ball, it leaves others unhappy. That is, unless you play the Barcelona ball control type of games, but Hulk is not that kind of player anyway. He loves to shoot from distance. People act as if it's a mathematical equation. "We scored 65 goals last season and Torres will be much better so he should double his tally and Hazard should score 10-15 and Hulk should score 15 etc...so we should score 120 goals!!!". Football doesn't work that way. There are a limited number of chances, a limited number of shots available and a limited number of touches. There comes a point when if you keep adding playmakers and keep adding scorers, it makes no difference because they are just taking away touches from other players.

I thought Ramires was overrated by many supporters last season, but I actually really like him in this formation because he doesn't have to touch the ball to be successful. If Chelsea had Ramires, Mata, and Hazard behind the striker, Ramires' movement and speed would allow Hazard and Mata to create space and chances for themselves and the striker. And it's not like these players are forced to stick in one position. You let them have freedom with the cover of Lampard and Mikel and the back 4. Mata played all over the pitch last season and Hazard can do the same. If there is space on the right hand side, either one of them can move into that position and let Ramires make his runs up the middle. If you want to play a more attacking 4-3-3, then Sturridge can provide you with another scorer with Lampard, Mata, and Hazard all supporting him and Torres.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I don't think anyone is obsessed with getting a "RW" strictly. Most people want a natural right sided attacker, as we don't have a single one in the squad.

[Leif 6,006]

Ramires has been a breakout player this season (and on the right wing, too), so I see no reason why he should be dropped or put in a less influential deep role.

I absolutely love watching him tear defenders a new bumhole on that right side.

He's also been scoring quite a bit, including that goal vs. Barcelona.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

As much as I like Ramires, he isn't the solution for our right wing in my opinion. Although he has scored a few, his finishing can be somewhat erratic. He was merely a temporary solution to our lack of width/defensive balance. I hope he can adapt to the double pivot in our 4-2-3-1 because it doesn't seem likely that he'll be the first choice right winger next season, if we sign Hulk or not.

[bloody 209]

another short player?

[bloody 209]

we really need a tall player like cech in our midfield, not another midget midfielder/winger when our current squad is full of them.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

we really need a tall player like cech in our midfield, not another midget when our current squad is full of them.

Unfortunately there aren't many 6'5" wingers in world football. In terms of aerial ability we won't be anything near what we were last season with Drogba up top, what we will be, however, is faster/sharper/more intricate. Hopefully we'll start to see the development of a new style of Chelsea play next term.

[bloody 209]

Unfortunately there aren't many 6'5" wingers in world football. In terms of aerial ability we won't be anything near what we were last season with Drogba up top, what we will be, however, is faster/sharper/more intricate. Hopefully we'll start to see the development of a new style of Chelsea play next term.

true, the only player that tall and might be good enough for us is fellaini

fair enough, we'll be faster/sharper/more intricate. but we also need a plan b if that don't work.

we're playing in england, not in spain. midgets will be pushed off the ball much more often here.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

true, the only player that tall and might be good enough for us is fellaini

fair enough, we'll be faster/sharper/more intricate. but we also need a plan b if that don't work.

we're playing in england, not in spain. midgets will be pushed off the ball more often here.

Not sure what qualifies as 'midget' in your eyes, but Zola was notoriously difficult to push off the ball despite being small/short. I see very similar qualities in Hazard as well. Aguero is the same. Mata is somewhat weaker on the ball but is much more clever in terms of his play/touches. Don't worry about Hulk's height, theres not many that can push him off the ball

[bloody 209]

Not sure what qualifies as 'midget' in your eyes, but Zola was notoriously difficult to push off the ball despite being small/short. I see very similar qualities in Hazard as well. Aguero is the same. Mata is somewhat weaker on the ball but is much more clever in terms of his play/touches. Don't worry about Hulk's height, theres not many that can push him off the ball

not many can push hulk off the ball in portugal.

i don't think it'd be the same in england.

[pachman40 357]

Fernando

Cardozo

Aimar

Gaitan

Patricio

Capel

Gomes

Lima

All equal-ish to Hulk. (I'm aware they play in different positions most of them, but they're to their position as what Hulk is to his position.)

This comment is wrong on so many levels. Gomes? Lima? Cardozo? Dear God there is no credibility left after reading that list. I'm sorry, but Hulk is not getting enough credit from you. When he is in the line-up playing at right wing instead of centre forward, Porto are a completely different and almost unbeatable team. The only people on that list that can have nearly the same impact to their team are Aimar and Patricio. I'm not saying Hulk is king of the world Golden Ball winner quality, but to name these guys and say Hulk is equal-ish may go down as the least truthful misleading statement I have ever heard or read in my life. Am I exaggerating? You guys decide.

[The Skipper 20,609]

not many can push hulk off the ball in portugal.

i don't think it'd be the same in england.

This ridiculous mentality of the Portuguese league being soooo inferior to the PL needs to stop. Some talk about the Portuguese league as if it's comparable to League 2 in Scotland.

[Leif 6,006]

This comment is wrong on so many levels. Gomes? Lima? Cardozo? Dear God there is no credibility left after reading that list. I'm sorry, but Hulk is not getting enough credit from you. When he is in the line-up playing at right wing instead of centre forward, Porto are a completely different and almost unbeatable team. The only people on that list that can have nearly the same impact to their team are Aimar and Patricio. I'm not saying Hulk is king of the world Golden Ball winner quality, but to name these guys and say Hulk is equal-ish may go down as the least truthful misleading statement I have ever heard or read in my life. Am I exaggerating? You guys decide.

Fernando is easily the best defensive midfielder in the league.

Cardozo is astonishingly prolific, almost like, but not quite as good as, Falcao.

Aimar is magic.

Gaitan shouldn't be in the list.

Patricio is one of the best players in the league, and easily and by far the best goalkeeper. Better than most of the Premier League 'keepers.

Capel has single handedly won games for Sporting all season, including some magic efforts in the Europa League. Best actual WINGER in the league.

Gomes is one of the greatest players to ever play in the league.

Lima has easily been on Hulk's level this past season. Have you seen how many goals he scored?

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Fernando is easily the best defensive midfielder in the league.

Cardozo is astonishingly prolific, almost like, but not quite as good as, Falcao.

Aimar is magic.

Gaitan shouldn't be in the list.

Patricio is one of the best players in the league, and easily and by far the best goalkeeper. Better than most of the Premier League 'keepers.

Capel has single handedly won games for Sporting all season, including some magic efforts in the Europa League. Best actual WINGER in the league.

Gomes is one of the greatest players to ever play in the league.

Lima has easily been on Hulk's level this past season. Have you seen how many goals he scored?

God would you stop writing for a minute?

Its joke after joke with you...

[Leif 6,006]

God would you stop writing for a minute?

Its joke after joke with you...

I assume you're trying to be short without actually contributing to the debate at all in order to get your "rep" up as you assume what you wrote will get you 'likes'.

If you wouldn't mind, tell me - What written in that piece you quoted is a joke?

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I assume you're trying to be short without actually contributing to the debate at all in order to get your "rep" up as you assume what you wrote will get you 'likes'.

If you wouldn't mind, tell me - What written in that piece you quoted is a joke?

I dont think writing the way i wrote will get me those rep points... im just trying to make you stop writing. For the benefit of this topic.

Why? cause you talk bulshit for number of pages. All those lists of players that could do better (or the same) than Hulk in Chelsea,

the list of players who are in the same level like hulk in the P. league... this is just unbelievably ridiculous.

Matt Jarvis, Farfan, Fernando.... OH MY GOD

Btw, you didnt anwer to my questions the last time i quoted you...

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Fernando

Cardozo

Aimar

Gaitan

Patricio

Capel

Gomes

Lima

All equal-ish to Hulk. (I'm aware they play in different positions most of them, but they're to their position as what Hulk is to his position.)

While I admire your broad knowledge across different leagues, the argument you try to make is rather invalid. You just simply can not use a defensive midfielder or a GK to compare with Hulk and say they are equally good or better. It's a bit like saying Cech is better than Aguero or we've got Ashley already so no need to buy Hulk.

[Leif 6,006]

I dont think writing the way i wrote will get me those rep points... im just trying to make you stop writing. For the benefit of this topic.

Why? cause you talk bulshit for number of pages. All those lists of players that could do better (or the same) than Hulk in Chelsea,

the list of players who are in the same level like hulk in the P. league... this is just unbelievably ridiculous.

Matt Jarvis, Farfan, Fernando.... OH MY GOD

Btw, you didnt anwer to my questions the last time i quoted you...

Excuse me? Did I at any point say that Jarvis or Farfan were as good as Hulk? Answer this question first.

Secondly, I assume you haven't watched Porto this season to even think about including Fernando in your mini list there. He has been outstanding.

If you 'REALLY' wanted me to stop talking here for the benefit of the topic, shouldn't you have considered speaking to me ONE-TO-ONE through a private message?

Ah, which questions were those? You will ask me through a private message if you care about this topic so much.

[Leif 6,006]

While I admire your broad knowledge across different leagues, the argument you try to make is rather invalid. You just simply can not use a defensive midfielder or a GK to compare with Hulk and say they are equally good or better. It's a bit like saying Cech is better than Aguero or we've got Ashley already so no need to buy Hulk.

Hence me also stating in that same quote that I'm aware they play different positions, and making it clear that I'm comparing the level of how good they are to their own positions, and not the same individual attributes or qualities.

[bloody 209]

This ridiculous mentality of the Portuguese league being soooo inferior to the PL needs to stop. Some talk about the Portuguese league as if it's comparable to League 2 in Scotland.

i was saying that the portuguese league is not as physical as the premier league.

since you put words in my mouth, i agree. the portuguese league is inferior but perhaps not by that much.