Wishlist Hulk

[Leif 6,006]

Just to put something into perspective.

Here is a more accurate list of the only players I believe that, club loyalty/retirement plans etc. aside (so let's imagine they don't care about their current club that much), we couldn't buy for £38mil:

Casillas

Ramos

Ronaldo

Benzema

Ozil

Alonso

Higuain

Valdes

Fabregas

Iniesta

Sanchez

Messi

Maybe Pastore

Buffon

Chiellini

Thiago Silva

The usual Man Utd/Man City/Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham players

Ribery

Gomez

Lahm

Gotze

Neymar

L.Moura

Neuer

Literally anyone else in the world could potentially be ours instead of Hulk for the same amount of money, club loyalty/age aside.

One final thing:-

Hulk - £38mil

or -

Adam Johnson - £15mil

Nuri Sahin - Loan

Debuchy - £12mil/Anyone else around the same price or anyone decent on a free.

Any squad, youth or back-up players with the final £11mil.

Grand total of Johnson, Sahin (for a season), Debuchy and some extra players? Same as Hulk.

Now - Which is more appetising?

[Chelsea? 892]

During the season we cry for wingers. But when the season ends no one really cares for wingers. Even Eden is apperently not a real winger. From the looks of it, we need Hulk since he has an eye for goal and takes players on.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Adam Johnson. Free to leave Manchester City for £15mil. Top winger.

Matt Jarvis.

Forrest from Celtic (amazing prospect).

Farfan.

Turan.

Cazorla.

A young relatively unknown player if our scouts ACTUALLY did some scouting.

Are you alluding that Hulk doesn't get assists? Strange that considering a lot of Falcao's goals for Porto came through Hulk.

I don't want us to settle for second rate players. You continue to buy second rate players who will "just about do the job" and we'll become just that - a second rate side. How anyone could want Matt Jarvis and James Forrest over Hulk in here is quite bewildering.

Taking the money involved out you can't deny that Hulk is more effective than every single player you've mentioned out there.

Hulk wouldn't work in the team? I'll give you an example of Holland's WC 2010 starting eleven for most games. They had:

RVP

VDV - Sneijder - Robben

Which is very comparable to:

Torres

Mata - Hazard - Hulk

Have you had a look at the Holland defence? It's shocking. Robben doesn't offer anything defensively does he? Yet they still played some slick stuff, and nearly finished the tournament as winners. The notion that Hulk wouldn't work in the team is again quite bewildering. Hulk offers loads more defensively than Robben as well.

Fair enough if you think Hulk is overpriced but what you can't deny is, that when you take the money out of it, Hulk is better than every singly player you've listed.

[Leif 6,006]

Just because someone isn't already in a top team demanding a ridiculous fee means they're a second-rate player.

Anyone with just 1 eye can see that Jarvis has consistently been one of the best wingers in the UK these past few seasons.

Also - Was Cristiano Ronaldo 2nd-rate when he was at Sporting? He didn't play for a big club, and I doubt you knew of him back then.

Doesn't mean you just ignore that player and then go buy an inferior, more expensive one, just because they're talked about more.

Hulk isn't even "great". He's good at best.

The only reason he got those assists with Falcao is because, simply, Falcao is one of the best strikers in the world.

Put Hulk and Torres in the same time, and I guarantee that Hulk won't get more than 5 Torres assists.

[HNKS 508]

Well then.

Spend £15mil on A.Johnson, and with the £23mil left over from what WOULD be spend on Hulk, we could buy a deep-lying playmaker and a back-up right-back.

Johnson is not proven. He could flop for all we know and then we will be stuck without a winger until January then we will have to pay £60m for hulk.

[Leif 6,006]

Johnson is not proven. He could flop for all we know and then we will be stuck without a winger until January then we will have to pay £60m for hulk.

Not proven!? He has 73 Premier League appearances for the current PL champions Manchester City and 11 league goals for them, where'as Hulk has only just over 20 more appearances than him in a FAR inferior league.

[HNKS 508]

Surely if he was that good, he would have cemented a starting position in those 73 appearances. He aint good enough for City but we will take him!!!!

[Leif 6,006]

Oh by the way -

Hulk league appearances (whole career) - 202 appearances, mainly made up of Porto, Tokyo Verdy and Consadole Sapporo.

Adam Johnson league appearances (whole career) - 186 appearances, mainly made up of current champions Manchester City and Middlesbrough.

Johnson is 1 year younger and English.

He's also less than half the price.

It's simple.

[Leif 6,006]

Surely if he was that good, he would have cemented a starting position in those 73 appearances. He aint good enough for City but we will take him!!!!

Borini 'wasn't good enough' - sure is good enough for Roma and the senior Italy squad. (and now many want him back.)

Just because a player can't show off his goods doesn't mean he's not good enough. That's just stupid to imply.

Cristiano Ronaldo only had TWENTY FIVE league appearances for Sporting.

If Manchester United had that stupid mentality I keep seeing all over this forum (thinking a player isn't good enough based on amount of appearances or what they haven't achieved in their current team), they wouldn't have had one of the greatest ever players.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Just because someone isn't already in a top team demanding a ridiculous fee means they're a second-rate player.

Anyone with just 1 eye can see that Jarvis has consistently been one of the best wingers in the UK these past few seasons.

Also - Was Cristiano Ronaldo 2nd-rate when he was at Sporting? He didn't play for a big club, and I doubt you knew of him back then.

Doesn't mean you just ignore that player and then go buy an inferior, more expensive one, just because they're talked about more.

Hulk isn't even "great". He's good at best.

The only reason he got those assists with Falcao is because, simply, Falcao is one of the best strikers in the world.

Put Hulk and Torres in the same time, and I guarantee that Hulk won't get more than 5 Torres assists.

I hope you're not being serious with that. Let me give you a scenario - if we got Hulk for £30m would you still want Jarvis here over him?

Anyone with an eye can see that Hulk has been the best player in Portugal for seasons in a row now. Go ask a Porto or Benfica fan.

Porto fans I know rate Hulk higher than Falcao as well. What does that tell you? You can't just be a "good" player if you are rated higher than Falcao can you? You can't just be a "good" player if you directly contribute for almost half of your teams goals, almost single handedly landing your team the league title. He's a great player. You can't deny that. Maybe not worth £38m, but Torres isn't worth £50m, Modrc isn't worth £40m either. It's the nature of the market today. If Zidane and Ronaldo played in the current market during their primes, they'd both be easily overpriced by over £100m in today's market.

Hulk was without Falcao this season and still grabbed 16 assists. Void argument. Hulk will provide you the unique blend of a high goal and high assist tally. Matt Jarvis will not. Simple.

You're bitter about the price but that doesn't mean you should belittle the player.

[HNKS 508]

I hope you're not being serious with that. Let me give you a scenario - if we got Hulk for £30m would you still want Jarvis here over him?

Anyone with an eye can see that Hulk has been the best player in Portugal for seasons in a row now. Go ask a Porto or Benfica fan.

Porto fans I know rate Hulk higher than Falcao as well. What does that tell you? You can't just be a "good" player if you are rated higher than Falcao can you? You can't just be a "good" player if you directly contribute for almost half of your teams goals, almost single handedly landing your team the league title. He's a great player. You can't deny that. Maybe not worth £38m, but Torres isn't worth £50m, Modrc isn't worth £40m either. It's the nature of the market today. If Zidane and Ronaldo played in the current market during their primes, they'd both be easily overpriced by over £100m in today's market.

Hulk was without Falcao this season and still grabbed 16 assists. Void argument. Hulk will provide you the unique blend of a high goal and high assist tally. Matt Jarvis will not. Simple.

You're bitter about the price but that doesn't mean you should belittle the player.

No point in talking mate. He is dead set on wanting an overrated English player. Johnson who cant even get into the England squad (Hulk is in the Brazil squad) or Jarvis LOOOL!

[Leif 6,006]

I hope you're not being serious with that. Let me give you a scenario - if we got Hulk for £30m would you still want Jarvis here over him?

Anyone with an eye can see that Hulk has been the best player in Portugal for seasons in a row now. Go ask a Porto or Benfica fan.

Porto fans I know rate Hulk higher than Falcao as well. What does that tell you? You can't just be a "good" player if you are rated higher than Falcao can you? You can't just be a "good" player if you directly contribute for almost half of your teams goals, almost single handedly landing your team the league title. He's a great player. You can't deny that. Maybe not worth £38m, but Torres isn't worth £50m, Modrc isn't worth £40m either. It's the nature of the market today. If Zidane and Ronaldo played in the current market during their primes, they'd both be easily overpriced by over £100m in today's market.

Hulk was without Falcao this season and still grabbed 16 assists. Void argument. Hulk will provide you the unique blend of a high goal and high assist tally. Matt Jarvis will not. Simple.

You're bitter about the price but that doesn't mean you should belittle the player.

Ah, best in Portugal for a few seasons in a row?

Was Falcao not the best just a season or 2 ago?

Cardozo has also been ahead of Hulk.

Yeah, well you'll find Chelsea fans on here who rate Torres higher than Sturridge and Drogba.

Doesn't mean he IS better though, does it? Doesn't mean he SHOULD be our number 1 man.

Also, I can and will deny that he's a great player. He's just like most of the players we target - grossly overrated. May I ask - how many games of his have you seen?

[Leif 6,006]

No point in talking mate. He is dead set on wanting an overrated English player. Johnson who cant even get into the England squad (Hulk is in the Brazil squad) or Jarvis LOOOL!

Ah, Mata can barely get a game for Spain these days. Sturridge isn't in the England squad. David Luiz is rarely picked for Brazil anymore (his injury aside). Ramires can't get a game for Brazil. Let's fuck them all off and buy more expensive players who ARE in their national teams starting line-ups, shall we? Great logic.

[The Skipper 20,609]

It really is simple. Let's isolate Hulk's Porto career and Johnson's Man City one.

Hulk:

Apps: 166

Goals: 76

Assists: 55

Johnson:

Apps: 97

Goals: 15

Assists: ? (can't find the data)

Yup, it really is simple.

[HNKS 508]

Ah, Mata can barely get a game for Spain these days. Sturridge isn't in the England squad. David Luiz is rarely picked for Brazil anymore (his injury aside). Ramires can't get a game for Brazil. Let's fuck them all off and buy more expensive players who ARE in their national teams starting line-ups, shall we? Great logic.

Those players proved they had talent. Sturridge would have got into the England squad had he not had such a horrid second half of the season. More competition in the Brazil squad than England. There are some shockingly average players in the England squad right now e.g. Henderson, Downing etc...

[Leif 6,006]

Ah, so doing the weak and easy thing of trying to base it all off stats I see.

You still didn't answer my question.

How many full games of his have you actually seen?

[coolhead23 1,147]

Why is everyone getting so worked up with the money..... If roman wants to pay it then why not... Unless of course it affects the club in a ffp way or any other way, but him paying 8 mil more than he is worth will not bother me... If we can get a better RW who can be a back up to torres then buy him instead...i am all ears..... I know we dont want to get mugged off but what difference is 8 mil to roman... And if he thinks that the price tag is too much then its fair enough as its his money. I wont be going to the match and being annoyed that hulk cost roman more money than he should....

I guess there comes a time when we stop going to daddy for each and every thing, we need to get independent. Roman has been shelling out money ever since he has taken over and honestly it is time that we become self sufficent. I know it is not a big deal for him to shell out some extra pounds but it has to stop somewhere. 38m is way too much for a player who is not proven plus we arent in a bidding war as well, just being held to ransom by the club. I agree with some of people here that we can buy some one cheap and utilise the remaining money for better use.

It time for the club to start being smart and also for all us fans to stop creating fantasy squads.

[Leif 6,006]

Those players proved they had talent. Sturridge would have got into the England squad had he not had such a horrid second half of the season. More competition in the Brazil squad than England. There are some shockingly average players in the England squad right now e.g. Henderson, Downing etc...

Right, and Mata? He can't get in ahead of Fibreglass. So is he overrated? Shall we sell him?

If you think Johnson hasn't shown 'talent' then I'm not sure you watch football.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Leif, I've seen quite a lot of Hulk games, due to me having a Portuguese friend. As I'm typing this on mobile, when I get home I'll forward a couple of match compilations to you so you can have an overall look of what Hulk offers in a game.

[Leif 6,006]

Compilations? I assume of his best bits? (As that's how most on here judge a player.) If we did that for every player we would have spent that £50mil on Negredo, not Torres.