David Luiz

[The Chels 2,502]

That's my worry, but i have a feeling Bertrand will be used as part of the deal, if he impresses at Aston Villa surely Southampton will be interested.

That's very possible. But what concerns me is that like PSG, I don't think City's Arab owners give a **** about FFP and will do whatever it takes to get around it and so they'd be more than willing to outbid us on Shaw.

[zolayes 14,489]

Right now, yes, but it's all about potential, although saying that he will walk into our first eleven right now.

atm I would have 2 priorities ,, sort out Courtois and get a Striker ,,, LB is a luxury as we have Ash Ryan and Van

[robsblubot 3,529]

£40 million for David Luiz, he'll be the most expensive defender ever... Surely you cannot turn down that offer?

He's a good defender but imo not world class, he'll be perfect for Barcelona though.

Even though I agree a 40m bid would be difficult to turn down, reckon that alone would automagically make him world class in every way and form...

At some point we have to respect the market; yes, it can be a bit irrational at times, but not for too long.

OT: one of my fav sayings in economy goes like this, "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent"

[Parky 739]

I've given him time to show his worth but sorry but I don't rate Luiz. Overrated and a not a proper CB nor a DM. His got a good first touch and on the ball technique but seriously lacks any form of concentration, positioning and defensive determination.

Not a Jose type player. He will be gone in summer.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Maybe because Cahill gets chance ahead Luiz in most games...and he is hardly a better defender, just suits system of Mou more because he is more dependable. Thats why I think Luiz isnt realy defender Mou wants. Apart from that, maybe in time Luiz will improve and become starter. But if he wont, I dont realy see him to be on our bench for too long; he will leave then.

You kinda missed my point:

Mata does not have certain qualities such as physical strength and pace to play as an AM in Jose's system. He can improve on certain stuff in his game, but he will never be Willian or Oscar. JT does not have the pace to play in AVB's high-line as another example. He can improve his positioning, but he will never be David Luiz.

So, what does Luiz lack that he does not fit Jose's system?

Cahill being more dependable than Luiz is only related to their current form which can change 180 degrees in a matter of weeks. In the second half of last season, David was one of our key men and our star defender while Cahill was inconsistent and error prone.

£40 million for David Luiz, he'll be the most expensive defender ever... Surely you cannot turn down that offer?

He's a good defender but imo not world class, he'll be perfect for Barcelona though.

I think we can turn that down because, unlike the Mata situation where we are loaded with AMs, we are currently looking to bring one more CB in, not get rid of one. The reason we agreed to sell Juan was not only because the offer was good, but also because we did not really need him. But we need Luiz, imo.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I've given him time to show his worth but sorry but I don't rate Luiz. Overrated and a not a proper CB nor a DM. His got a good first touch and on the ball technique but seriously lacks any form of concentration, positioning and defensive determination.

Not a Jose type player. He will be gone in summer.

HAHA

Cant remember the last time I read more bullshit.

1. Do you mind explaining to me what a "proper CB" is? And when you do this, please keep in mind other CBs who are somewhat like Luiz, like lets say Ramos who is also very aggressive.

2. You couldnt be more wrong about his "lack of concentration, positioning and defensive determination". Lets take our game against United as an example. You surely recall how he played in the first half. He was very aggressive and whatnot. In the 2nd half everyone thought for sure he'd be sent off, but what happened? He adapted and changed his playstyle completley. PLUS you have NO BLOODY IDEA what goes around behind the scene. If Mourinho didnt want him to play like he does, he would force him to stop this a long time ago!

I think most of the Luiz-haters here just simply dont UNDERSTAND. You dont understand and dont recognize the beauty and power of having an unorthodox defender like Luiz. Luiz is the PERFECT defender when our tactic isnt to sit deep and defend.

3. And also, you say he isnt Mourinhos type of player. I would like for you to explain what Mourinhos type of player is? When you answer this, keep Zlatan Ibrahimovic in mind aswell.

[Strike 7,250]

Luiz is lot better at Centre-back than in midfield

[The_Flash 1,144]

Good game, very solid performance

[duo11bluecl 207]

Good game, very solid performance

True but Stoke was so horrible it was not even funny. Lets see if he is started against West Ham, if he did and perform really well there might be a chance for him against City, if not it would be back to the bench for Cahill-Terry

[Svita 10 186]

Do you think he will go? 35M and more would be a good deal. But he always said: I love to by here, this is my club, i can be captain and also he is loved by a milions fans, but Mata was too... We will see in the summer.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Do you think he will go? 35M and more would be a good deal. But he always said: I love to by here, this is my club, i can be captain and also he is loved by a milions fans, but Mata was too... We will see in the summer.

If we get Zouma in then it's possible. Luiz is no longer first choice CB and he'd fetch a fair amount of money in which would more than cover the cost of buying Zouma and enable us to reinvest in other areas. He could find himself in a Mata-type situation where it's better to cash in then keep and a £30 million player on the bench.

[The Skipper 20,593]

If we get Zouma in then it's possible. Luiz is no longer first choice CB and he'd fetch a fair amount of money in which would more than cover the cost of buying Zouma and enable us to reinvest in other areas. He could find himself in a Mata-type situation where it's better to cash in then keep and a £30 million player on the bench.

Hmm I don't know because Zouna is more similar to JT & Cahill.

Personally if we did get him in I'd sell Ivanovic and get in another RB.

[didierforever 7,349]

Hmm I don't know because Zouna is more similar to JT & Cahill.

Personally if we did get him in I'd sell Ivanovic and get in another RB.

wallace? or kalas?

[The Skipper 20,593]

wallace? or kalas?

Yeah, either of them if they could make the step up would be fine too.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Hmm I don't know because Zouna is more similar to JT & Cahill.

Personally if we did get him in I'd sell Ivanovic and get in another RB.

Or use someone like Kalas or Kane. Can't see Jose getting rid of Ivanovic though whereas I think he could get rid of Luiz. I think the new reality is that you can't keep £30 million-rated players at the club if they aren't an integral part of your plans going forward. That was true for Mata and I think it might be true for Luiz.

[Jase 43,479]

I know selling Luiz is a tempting idea especially with he seems to command a huge price tag but not too sure about flooding our squad with too many young players, even if they are talented, and not enough experienced players. Zouma could possibly be a replacement for Terry soon enough. He can't go on forever.

[Special Juan 27,439]

Zouma and Luiz could be incredible for future years. The next best thing is brick up the goal.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

I reckon Jose's keeping Luiz for next season when Terry is not going to feature heavily like we are seeing now.

Luiz-Cahill or Luiz- Zouma could be the shit next season. If that is not going to work till December next year, then he will be leaving in the winter window. Not likely next summer even if we bring in Zouma or any not-so-expensive defender in the summer