wj818 25 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/luizs-cultured-talents-should-be-savoured-not-criticised/A decent article about luiz, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Fuck mistakes he makes, we all make mistakes, but what I absolutely respect and love about him is his mindset and approach to the game. When he makes a mistake he does absolutely everything in his power to redeem himself to his teammates and fans. Not only that, but he clearly has the balls to step up when needed and with his recent rather good FK shots it shows he practices a lot. His penalties seem rather decent also. Good to have a person like him in the dressing room. I actually wouldn't be surprised at all if I see him as our captain in a few seasons.Oh and those Chelsea wristbands...brilliant! DJames and robdog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I do not know how comes he's criticized for his mistakes while Terry and Cahill are getting away with it. Don't get me wrong, into my eyes his mistakes are a genuine concern and all, but into my book, the two english are as mistake-prone as him, if not more. I believe it comes from his eccentric look, and that medias' propaganda (ever since his second game for us, against manure) has worked.Although, it gotta stop. I don't know what happened in his head this summer, but he kinda has gone backward - and I believe the coach could also take his share of the blame. Indeed, I thought André Villas-Boas did a superb job with him. From mid-autumn to May, David was marvellous - his game had been simplified, he was making simple and safe passes, wasn't trying to attempt stupid passes or dribbles. I guess that a psychological work will have to be done on him ; the Luiz of last season has to come back ! Kojo, Manuf, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Secondly, the 2nd united goal was definitely not Luiz's fault. Yeah he went forward and lost the ball but he had more than enough cover. He actually picked a good time to make that run. He was at fault for loosing the ball but Chelsea had enough players back. Cahill also was poor in his positioning but you also have to give credit to an amazing Anderson through ball and a very good first touch and finish to Cuntarito. (Luiz and Cahill take blame 50% each).It was definitely his fault. Look at how many people blamed Mikel for giving the ball away against Juve, even though we had like 6 men back.Luiz gave the ball away when only Mikel and Cahill were in a defensive position, they could do nothing to stop Hernandez who's first touch was very good.About Cahill's positioning - if you actually pay attention to our CB's you will notice they always stay very wide while the full backs push up. So Cahill was in the position he was meant to be, only way he would have been better positioned is if he was psychic and knew Luiz was going to lose the ball before he even got to the half way line.If Cahill was the one who lost the ball and left Luiz exposed, i'm 100% sure he would have received the blame. But now people are making excuses for Luiz, smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 I do not know how comes he's criticized for his mistakes while Terry and Cahill are getting away with it. Don't get me wrong, into my eyes his mistakes are a genuine concern and all, but into my book, the two english are as mistake-prone as him, if not more. I believe it comes from his eccentric look, and that medias' propaganda (ever since his second game for us, against manure) has worked.Although, it gotta stop. I don't know what happened in his head this summer, but he kinda has gone backward - and I believe the coach could also take his share of the blame. Indeed, I thought André Villas-Boas did a superb job with him. From mid-autumn to May, David was marvellous - his game had been simplified, he was making simple and safe passes, wasn't trying to attempt stupid passes or dribbles. I guess that a psychological work will have to be done on him ; the Luiz of last season has to come back !I disagree, i remember then he was constantly making one stupid mistake per game.I remember for about 4 games in a row it was him and Cech costing us a goal each. Remember his awful mistake in the Villa game?, when Petrov put Villa ahead 2-1 in like the 78th minute.Clumsy in the Newcastle game when he took Demba Ba out as last man and should've gotten a red card.Also the Napoli game when he tried to do too much then Lavezzi scored the 3-1 winner, which almost put us out of the tournament all together.I must say though in most of them games he put in a good performance despite making silly mistakes. But i can't say he was solid, not with the silly mistakes and some comical performances. Against Liverpool he was our best defender, when we lost 2-1, although he got embarrased against Suarez, but that was about it. I think that was the game when Gary Neville said it's like he's being controlled by a 10 year old kid on a playstation.To be honest I miss the David Luiz what first came to us, when he came on against Liverpool when we were losing 1-0 to a Meireles goal, he was the only positive from that game. Then afterwards he was unbelievable, that United game... wow... that goal and his performance was amazing, he actually shown Terry how to defend that game. Then against Man City (probably his best performance in a Chelsea shirt), amazing against Fulham despite the penalty he conceded. But then afterwards he was awful, and didn't seem to change much next season either under AVB, but was better.The only time Luiz has shown his old self, was against Fulham in that cup game, when we drew 0-0 and won on penalties, yes Turnbull was actually good. David Luiz was unbelievable, he was on great form, just came back from injury actually and that game he was on fire, i really thought we had him back. Then he started to make lots of mistakes. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,504 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 At the end of the day, Luiz is the most talented defender at Chelsea.I think all Luiz needs is a bit of discipline. Everyone knows how much talent he has but he needs to learn how to express himself for the benefit of the team.eg. if Luiz wants to make a run forward, that's great...but he should only make that run IF he's sure that the defensive players are ready to cover for him. Stats and Dion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 At the end of the day, Luiz is the most talented defender at Chelsea.I think all Luiz needs is a bit of discipline. Everyone knows how much talent he has but he needs to learn how to express himself for the benefit of the team.eg. if Luiz wants to make a run forward, that's great...but he should only make that run IF he's sure that the defensive players are ready to cover for him.Luiz is talented - but to say he's the best at Chelsea is pushing it.He's an average defender, talented playerHe needs to cut out the mistakes and stop playing fucking hopeless long balls - turning over possession and putting us under pressure.I think we still need a Defender and Striker and maybe Busquets, then we have an awesome team - unstoppable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irakozium257 350 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Stop having short memory and being pessimistic about him, the dude has heart and spirit, and like Ramires, he'll start kissing the badge sooner or later. He has also had alot of great games. I believe for sure that he'll learn from his mistakes and with the help of J.T., he'll have the same qualities just as our beloved captain soon enough. Nevertheless, I'm planning to buy the home shirt, preferrably with the star, with his name and number on the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Luiz is talented - but to say he's the best at Chelsea is pushing it.He's an average defender, talented playerHe needs to cut out the mistakes and stop playing fucking hopeless long balls - turning over possession and putting us under pressure.I think we still need a Defender and Striker and maybe Busquets, then we have an awesome team - unstoppable...To be honest mate, I don't think he means Luiz is the best defender at the club but instead he means that he possesses the most talent with what he can do eg running with the ball, being quite acrobatic as we have seen and adding a few tricks, a rare attribute he has for a CB Reddish-Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 If Cahill was the one who lost the ball and left Luiz exposed, i'm 100% sure he would have received the blame. But now people are making excuses for Luiz, smh.Da fuq?Cahill never get's flagged up for any error's. He got away scot free of criticism for the Naples and Monaco disasters while Luiz got it from all angles. I like Cahill and i like the passion he has, but looking back at some comments on here he is so over rated it's untrue. Peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I made a post in Mats Hummels thread concerning Luiz.I 100% believe he would fail as Defensive Midfielder but a Box To Box Midfielder is another. If RDM were able to convert him to a B2B he would almost be world class.He has all the attributes of a B2B, he can shoot, pass, dribble, run, has bags of energy and has the will and fighting spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Da fuq?Cahill never get's flagged up for any error's. He got away scot free of criticism for the Naples and Monaco disasters while Luiz got it from all angles. I like Cahill and i like the passion he has, but looking back at some comments on here he is so over rated it's untrue.Because he doesn't do things like give the ball away in his half and leave everyone exposed.Cahill makes mistakes, because he's not some type of super defender that is meant to be able to perfectly mark every striker. If Luiz made those type of mistakes then he won't get nearly as much criticism, but no instead he plays hoofball for no reason, wanders out of position, loses the ball in midfield, tries to pinch everything, etc etc.And the overrated bit is hilarious and also ridiculous. You've been defending Luiz for a while now by picking on Cahill, just like you did/still do with Kalou and Torres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,504 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 I made a post in Mats Hummels thread concerning Luiz.I 100% believe he would fail as Defensive Midfielder but a Box To Box Midfielder is another. If RDM were able to convert him to a B2B he would almost be world class.He has all the attributes of a B2B, he can shoot, pass, dribble, run, has bags of energy and has the will and fighting spirit.That's an interesting call on Luiz. He has the attributes to be a pretty good B2B midfielder, not sure he'd ever be world-class though. The big (hypothetical) question would be, if Luiz ever became a B2B midfielder, who would play alongside him in Chelsea's midfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 That's an interesting call on Luiz. He has the attributes to be a pretty good B2B midfielder, not sure he'd ever be world-class though. The big (hypothetical) question would be, if Luiz ever became a B2B midfielder, who would play alongside him in Chelsea's midfield?I think it depends on the opposition really. Against a team like ManUtd you want Mikel to start. So the the choice would be between Luiz and Ramires, however Rami has already proven himself against this opposition so for big games it would be Mikel and Ramires. Against 'weaker' team like Soton or West Ham a duo of Luiz and Ramires could be played. They lack the stability of Mikel but they would create a high pressing and very agressive midfield that would win the ball back quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Because he doesn't do things like give the ball away in his half and leave everyone exposed.Cahill makes mistakes, because he's not some type of super defender that is meant to be able to perfectly mark every striker. If Luiz made those type of mistakes then he won't get nearly as much criticism, but no instead he plays hoofball for no reason, wanders out of position, loses the ball in midfield, tries to pinch everything, etc etc.And the overrated bit is hilarious and also ridiculous. You've been defending Luiz for a while now by picking on Cahill, just like you did/still do with Kalou and Torres.So having an opinion is 'picking on them' now is it?As for that Kalou/Torres thing, i said Torres is like Kalou now, will frustrate, frustrate, frustrate, have the odd good moments and the odd goals, which is true, the only reason it looks like im (in your words) "picking" on Torres, while "defending" Kalou is because how highly the Spaniard is rated compared to the Ivorian.I have stated numerous times that Cahill and Luiz are fine one of them with Terry but rubbish as a pair, i haven't blamed either on that, but again the only reason it looks like im "picking on" Cahill while "defending" Luiz is the same as the two above, because of how highly one is rated compared to the other.Just because i think Cahill has been in general over-rated, doesn't mean i don't actually rate him or don't like him. Infact i was one of the very few defending him at the start when he was getting dismissed as a "only a Bolton player" and i had the very same opinion of him them as i do now, a very good squad player. Only now it looks like im "hating" him because of how far the other way he's gone.All im going to say now is if im "picking" on Cahill then some of the stuff said about Luiz, Bosingwa, Malouda, Sturridge and Kalou on these forum's must be classed as online bullying. Sheva. and Dion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backstreet09 499 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 We should try him in the mikel's postion , i'm sure he would do miracles there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 So having an opinion is 'picking on them' now is it?As for that Kalou/Torres thing, i said Torres is like Kalou now, will frustrate, frustrate, frustrate, have the odd good moments and the odd goals, which is true, the only reason it looks like im (in your words) "picking" on Torres, while "defending" Kalou is because how highly the Spaniard is rated compared to the Ivorian.I have stated numerous times that Cahill and Luiz are fine one of them with Terry but rubbish as a pair, i haven't blamed either on that, but again the only reason it looks like im "picking on" Cahill while "defending" Luiz is the same as the two above, because of how highly one is rated compared to the other.Just because i think Cahill has been in general over-rated, doesn't mean i don't actually rate him or don't like him. Infact i was one of the very few defending him at the start when he was getting dismissed as a "only a Bolton player" and i had the very same opinion of him them as i do now, a very good squad player. Only now it looks like im "hating" him because of how far the other way he's gone.All im going to say now is if im "picking" on Cahill then some of the stuff said about Luiz, Bosingwa, Malouda, Sturridge and Kalou on these forum's must be classed as online bullying.You're right, i do remember you defending his signing and it does not matter if you view him as a squad player or not, i'm just tired of people blaming others for Luiz's mistakes.Luiz lost the ball for the Man utd goal, most of the blame is on him, not Cahill for not being in the right positon - when he actually was or not stopping Hernandez - when all that would have resulted to was a red card.We all know Luiz is a good defender, he showed it many times last season, but these silly uncalled for mistakes are the difference between winning and losing big games. Even when he plays well, you just know he will at least fuck up once - check Newcastle game this season.It's for this and only this i prefer Cahill to him. It's not because Cahill is so much better, like i said already, he also makes mistakes, so does JT - but you will rarely see both make the kinds of mistakes Luiz does over and over. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaclouds 47 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Dressed up as this at Halloween! Nearly pooed my pants!! Henrique, LeonDavis23 and Rmpr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Dressed up as this at Halloween! Nearly pooed my pants!!This guy needs to be more mature.As much I like his jokes and all, he needsto grow up and then he could be perfect CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 This guy needs to be more mature.As much I like his jokes and all, he needsto grow up and then he could be perfect CB.Dressing up for Halloween doesn't make someone immature. I'm not sure if you celebrate Halloween in Slovenia but it's pretty common to see adults dress up for Halloween and go to dress up parties. The Skipper and Rmpr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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