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[Stingray 9,441]

Very interesting debate with different opinions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URIzjnD8zXY#t=418

Dan Arbell, Norman Finkelstein and Mouin Rabbani.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

This is beyond pointless, arguing with some dude who only signed up to a football forum to spread Zionist propaganda.

I really don't want to answer this with a long post, but I just love how causing financial damage and killing civilians is now a success to you! Terrorists much? Actually the donations and help that Lebanon got after the war by far outweighs the losses, but whatever...You seem to have severe loss of memory so let me remind what were the actualy objectives of the attack:

Retrieve the two soldiers. FAILED.

Stop the rockets. FAILED.

Occupy the land south of the Laytani river. MISERABLY FAILED. Couldn't even stay in a Lebanese village more than two days.

But you're right Hezboulla should get into their warplanes and long-range artillery like you do to face you!

But hey, if you liked that and think you won, you are welcome back ANYTIME. We LOVE having you guys, or any foreign army, here because every single time you go back crawling from your defeat. Whether it is like 1982 when you left Beirut shouting throw your microphones in Arabic: "Please cease your attacks, we are withdrawing!", 1996, 2000 or really any time.

Fucking disgrace. That's all.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

This is beyond pointless, arguing with some dude who only signed up to a football forum to spread Zionist propaganda.

I really don't want to answer this with a long post, but I just love how causing financial damage and killing civilians is now a success to you! Terrorists much? Actually the donations and help that Lebanon got after the war by far outweighs the losses, but whatever...You seem to have severe loss of memory so let me remind what were the actualy objectives of the attack:

Retrieve the two soldiers. FAILED.

Stop the rockets. FAILED.

Occupy the land south of the Laytani river. MISERABLY FAILED. Couldn't even stay in a Lebanese village more than two days.

But you're right Hezboulla should get into their warplanes and long-range artillery like you do to face you!

But hey, if you liked that and think you won, you are welcome back ANYTIME. We LOVE having you guys, or any foreign army, here because every single time you go back crawling from your defeat. Whether it is like 1982 when you left Beirut shouting throw your microphones in Arabic: "Please cease your attacks, we are withdrawing!", 1996, 2000 or really any time.

Now You encouraging violence and killing? It's Beyond ridiculous.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

The interesting thing is that the situation in Syria are much worst than what going on right now in Gaza Asad is killing is people for more than 2 years and we can see a very limit reaction in the world. but when Israel defend itself from rockets It's unacceptable.

Hypocrisy.

[Stingray 9,441]

Hypocrisy.

I believe it to be even more horrible tbh....

It has evolved in a sectarian civil war where different parties are supported by different nations (eg. Russia and the US), rendering it completely clusterfucked for International resolution by a stalemate.

Still, this does not excuse other acts of violence in the world. Why do you say Syria and not the Ukrain for example.

[cosmicway 1,333]

If they stopped it from 1967 all of them, they 'd be richer than England now.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

This thread is getting out of hand. Locked. For a while.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Now You encouraging violence and killing? It's Beyond ridiculous.

What? You think you can invade an country and not have violence? I'm only talking about the heroic resistance to the Israeli invasions and occupation.

Right now, I'm sitting in my home village that was liberated by the resistance with blood. Till less than 20 years ago, this town was occupied by the Israeli army and had the second largest torture center in Lebanon. And the only reason that I can sit here peacefully, and the only reason that the people of my village and thousands of villages in the south don't have their land stolen, homes destroyed at will, women raped by the Israeli army and their agents, the only reason why your army and their agents can't kidnap whoever they want and for whatever reason and detain and torture whoever they want is because of this resistance.

I admit, I might have gone a bit extreme in reply to a very extreme and provocative posts, but I am incredible proud and defensive of this resistance that has won our land, freedom and dignity back. You can't possibly understand what this means unless your country had been occupied by an enemy. We are certainly not afraid of an invasion. After knowing what it means to lose it, we cherish the chance to defend our land.

But it is no secret that I'm hoping to see another Israeli defeat, like the one in 2006, in Lebanon or in Palestine because I believe that, just like the 2006 war, it can change the 'equations' in the region for the better. Why? I've already explained in detail one side of what I think this latest battle is and why it, and the whole agenda, must be stopped in a post which you ignored:

You can't seriously take this last 'battle' separately and completely out of context like this. We both know who 'started' the whole conflict if you go back and who was living peacefully and who brought in people from all over the world to kick them out of their homes and take their places. But let's forget all that for second and look at the living conditions of these people and what drove them to launch these rockets.

The living conditions for the Palestinians resemble so much the stereotypical conditions of oppressed people living without their freedom that at times I feel it's bordering on funny! You know those bad American action movies or that episode of Kim Possible? Where the hero travels to the future and finds that the evil dictator has taken over the world and everyone is being oppressed by his large and powerful army that monitors and controls everything? It's really funny/tragic how much the living conditions of the Palestinians looks like some footage out of those movies.

They live in an open air prison. Their whole area is surrounded by kilometers and kilometers of high prison walls with sniper towers in them:

They live in grossly over-crowded neighborhoods in below poverty levels (Gaza is one of the highest population density in the world with about 5000 people per squared Km). The Israeli government controls everything in their in lives, from the amount of water, gas and fuel they can consume to when they can and can't have electrical power. But even that, they are not allowed to have peacefully with civilian houses being destroyed on regular basis and it's inhabitants made homeless (over 60,000 demolished houses IIRC) to be replaced by more illegal settlements:

And if that is not enough they are constantly under methodical racist segregation and harassment. They have their number one source of income, olive trees, uprooted regularly by the IDF:

They can be arrested whenever the army likes and for whatever reason or even without one. They can be detained indefinitely and without trail. When they are trialed, they are prosecuted using military law not the Israeli civilian laws. Forget trials and laws, in some mixed areas, Palestinians are even forced to take different roads!

On the other hand, Israeli settlers get away with abusing and beating Palestinians on a regular basis. Every year, tens of Palestinians are assaulted, shot and even killed by Israeli settlers. They are treated worse than animals and no one does anything about it.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The atrocities against Palestinians are countless. And they are only getting worse. Every year they are losing more land, losing more of what's left of their basic rights of living. You see, as much as I hate Zionism, I just have to respect the intelligence of how Zionists go about their business. Because you can't erase the people of a whole nation in a single war, and they know that. But over a hundred years you can slowly take their land, slowly decrease their numbers in the country, slowly take away their rights, slowly take away the support they get from the neighboring nations and the empathy they get from foreigners, very slowly dehumanize them with your propaganda until everyone, including yourself, don't believe they are equal humans anymores. And in another hundred years or two they would probably have succeeded in getting rid of all the Palestinians in the country and would most likely have set their target on further expanding their boundaries. From the Nile to the Euphrates, right?

The people of Palestine have two choices and no third: To resist or to simply cease to exist. But, this is not a movie. Unfortunately, the resistance cannot be led by a perfect Platonic hero (or Kim Possible and genetically enhanced rats). It is, and has always been, led by people that far from perfect. But these incredibly corrupt people change and have changed many times, but what your government knows and tries to convince you otherwise, is that the resistance will continue long after Fateh and Hamas as long as there are Palestinians. Because the resistance is an idea and a choice of the people, not only that, it is their only choice.

So, to get back to the current ongoing events, NO, the air strikes on Gaza CANNOT stop the rockets, they simply cannot just like they couldn't in the countless wars and invasions in both Lebanon and Palestine in the past 40-50 years. And your government knows this, but that is not their objective that's just their alibi. Let's put things into perspective a bit (because that always seems to be missing when talking about this conflict):

Just like in the movies, the army enforcing this oppression and these racist norms (can't really call them laws) are ridiculously over-armed with all the state-of-the-art weapons, tanks, warplanes and warships and even nuclear weapons of mass destruction while the resistance has old riffles and weapons which they have themselves developed.Since the start of this last battle, the resistance rockets have caused ZERO Israeli causalities! While the death toll from the Israeli airstrikes has exceeded 100 in less than a week, the vast majority of which are civilians and half of them are women and children. The strikes have been mainly targeted at civilian house with some strikes even aimed at a couple of hospitals, the red crescent (equivalent of red cross), and even the media.

So, again, NO, this attack on Gaza is NOT aimed at stopping the rockets. It's aim is to terrorize the Palestinians a bit more, to destroy a little more Palestinian houses, to kill more Palestinians, to violate a bit more what's left of their rights. This attack is, like every battle before it for the past 70 years, like almost every Zionist action and plan in the past 120 years, it is that tiny little step forward towards a racist Jewish only state in all of the "Promised Land".

THAT is the truth as I see it.

Go ahead, refute the points I raise in this post. I seriously want someone to discuss these points with me. I've based my opinion on a number of facts I stated above, if you believe this is not true, tell me which facts do you believe are wrong, which taken out of context...etc. Debate complete ideas with me.

[Stingray 9,441]

Award winning documentaries online. A must see really. http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/the_top_10_documentaries_about_the_israelpalestine_conflict/

Especially 5 Broken Cameras - academy award nominee. Gripping take on the conflict. Must see, really.

[ChelsFan05 3]

What? You think you can invade an country and not have violence? I'm only talking about the heroic resistance to the Israeli invasions and occupation.

Right now, I'm sitting in my home village that was liberated by the resistance with blood. Till less than 20 years ago, this town was occupied by the Israeli army and had the second largest torture center in Lebanon. And the only reason that I can sit here peacefully, and the only reason that the people of my village and thousands of villages in the south don't have their land stolen, homes destroyed at will, women raped by the Israeli army and their agents, the only reason why your army and their agents can't kidnap whoever they want and for whatever reason and detain and torture whoever they want is because of this resistance.

I admit, I might have gone a bit extreme in reply to a very extreme and provocative posts, but I am incredible proud and defensive of this resistance that has won our land, freedom and dignity back. You can't possibly understand what this means unless your country had been occupied by an enemy. We are certainly not afraid of an invasion. After knowing what it means to lose it, we cherish the chance to defend our land.

But it is no secret that I'm hoping to see another Israeli defeat, like the one in 2006, in Lebanon or in Palestine because I believe that, just like the 2006 war, it can change the 'equations' in the region for the better. Why? I've already explained in detail one side of what I think this latest battle is and why it, and the whole agenda, must be stopped in a post which you ignored:

First of all i wish one day i can go to Lebanon and eat with you Humus in Beirut or south Lebanon (more close to me LOL) and discuss about some things because you seems like intelligent guy even though you don't like my political view. Again i don't know about what defeat you talking about, in fact yesterday there where 3 missiles thrown from Lebanon and the Hezboullah quickly catch those guys and their other rockets. Hezboullah dont want another conflict with israel and its a fact, you have the problems in syria and maybe ISIS. Al-Manar is lying to you about what happening in israel now and in 2006 even Al-Jazeera is more reliable LOL. Yesterday one of our generals said that Gaza could become to the Dahieh if we get in.

And believe me you dont want to see our army in south Lebanon, Beirut and Baal Baeq again because the damage we will leave there will be so big that you will not recoginze you villages. the israeli army is more smarter, more stronger, and more aggressive. And Hezboullah ? they still have their rockets - we have the Iron dome that stand on more then 90% in his activity against the rockets from Gaza.

And take a look on this, Israel on the 11 place in "most powerful militaries in the world" a countrey with 8 citizens (!). In case you still think that our army is "nothing"

http://www.businessinsider.com/35-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2014-7

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Okay. I agree with some but why should Israel release 5283 who have broken the law? Some of them are very dangerous and Israel in the past have released a lot. Elaborate on the UN resolutions Israel has broken. Tell me why they had broken it and then elaborate on the ones the Palestines had broken... You probably don't know too much about that.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2013

1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls on’ Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
11. Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
12. Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
13. Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
14. Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
15. Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
16. Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
17. Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
18. Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
19. Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
20. Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
21. Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
22. Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
23. Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
24. Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
25. Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
26. Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
27. Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
28. Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
29. Resolution 425: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
30. Resolution 427: "...‘calls on’ Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
31. Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
32. Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
33. Resolution 450: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
34. Resolution 452: "...‘calls on’ Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
35. Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
36. Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
37. Resolution 468: "...‘calls on’ Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
38. Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
39. Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
40. Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
41. Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
42. Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
43. Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
44. Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
45. Resolution 498: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
46. Resolution 501: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
47. Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
48. Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
49. Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
50. Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
51. Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
52. Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
53. Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
54. Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
55. Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
56. Resolution 607: "...‘calls on’ Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
57. Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
58. Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
59. Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return
66. Resolution 904: "...‘strongly condemns’ the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others"
67. Resolution 1073: "...‘calls for’ the immediate cessation and reversal of all acts which have resulted in the aggravation of the situation, ‘calls for‘ the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians to be ensured"
68. Resolution 1322: "...‘condemns’ acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life"
69. Resolution 1402: "...‘calls upon’ both parties to move immediately to a meaningful ceasefire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah"
70. Resolution 1403: "...‘demands’ the implementation of its resolution 1402 (2002) without delay"
71. Resolution 1405: "...‘emphasizes’ the urgency of access of medical and humanitarian organizations to the Palestinian civilian population"
72. Resolution 1435: "...‘demands’ that Israel immediately cease measures in and around Ramallah including the destruction of Palestinian civilian and security infrastructure"
73. Resolution 1544: "...‘calls on’ Israel to respect its obligations under international humanitarian law, and insists, in particular, on its obligation not to undertake demolition of homes contrary to that law"
74. Resolution 1860: "...‘calls for’ an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; ‘calls for‘ the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment"
75. Resolution 1937: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
76. Resolution 2004: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
77. Resolution 2064: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"

These resolutions voted for by members have not been adhered to, unprecedented that a nation ignores UN resolutions like this.

If, and its a big if Israel wants peace and not just expansionism , it needs to be conciliatary in its foreign policies. Not create a climate of paranoia within its citizens, and then steps towards peace could be made.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

To my mind there are two massive obstacles to peace and a way forward -one is the Israeli govt and the US lobbyists not wanting it -(its too fruitful for the lobbyists, and for the govt it can gain popularity by creating a climate of fear, and makes Israeli citizens easier to control)

The second is direct provocation. Israeli soldiers have cited their aim is to provoke a reaction, and the 262 illegal Israeli settlements and outposts on Palestinian land are a direct ongoing provocation.

How would Israelis feel if Palestinians had 262 illegal settlements on Israeli land ??

[Parky 739]

I just want to put my 2 cents in here. I believe both parties have contributed to this current situation. In the ideal situation there should be one secular state shared by both Jews and Palestinians with equal rights and respect for each other. However as long as strong right wing conservatives exist and are given power on both sides this will never happen and it may even be too late.

Do I see peace for this region within my lifetime? I really hope so but the older I get and the more I learn I am confronted by the selfish, destructive and crazy nature of mankind which makes me regress on this hope. Believe it or not everything is and has been manipulated by the 'elite' of this modern world who have unlimited control over the world and its citizens.

[haranr 485]

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2013

1. Resolution 106: "...‘condemns’ Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...‘condemns’ Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...‘recommends’ Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...‘urges’ Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations’ by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...‘censures’ Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...‘urges’ Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "...‘condemns’ Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "...‘calls on’ Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "...‘deeply deplores’ Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
11. Resolution 252: "...‘declares invalid’ Israel’s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
12. Resolution 256: "...‘condemns’ Israeli raids on Jordan as ‘flagrant violation"
13. Resolution 259: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
14. Resolution 262: "...‘condemns’ Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
15. Resolution 265: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
16. Resolution 267: "...‘censures’ Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
17. Resolution 270: "...‘condemns’ Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
18. Resolution 271: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
19. Resolution 279: "...‘demands’ withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
20. Resolution 280: "....‘condemns’ Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon"
21. Resolution 285: "...‘demands’ immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
22. Resolution 298: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s changing of the status of Jerusalem"
23. Resolution 313: "...‘demands’ that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
24. Resolution 316: "...‘condemns’ Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
25. Resolution 317: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
26. Resolution 332: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s repeated attacks against Lebanon"
27. Resolution 337: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violating Lebanon’s sovereignty"
28. Resolution 347: "...‘condemns’ Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
29. Resolution 425: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
30. Resolution 427: "...‘calls on’ Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon’
31. Resolution 444: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
32. Resolution 446: "...‘determines’ that Israeli settlements are a ‘serious obstruction’ to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
33. Resolution 450: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
34. Resolution 452: "...‘calls on’ Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
35. Resolution 465: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel’s settlements program"
36. Resolution 467: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s military intervention in Lebanon"
37. Resolution 468: "...‘calls on’ Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
38. Resolution 469: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians"
39. Resolution 471: "...‘expresses deep concern’ at Israel’s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
40. Resolution 476: "...‘reiterates’ that Israel’s claims to Jerusalem are ‘null and void’
41. Resolution 478: "...‘censures (Israel) in the strongest terms’ for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’
42. Resolution 484: "...‘declares it imperative’ that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
43. Resolution 487: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility"
44. Resolution 497: "...‘decides’ that Israel’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is ‘null and void’ and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
45. Resolution 498: "...‘calls on’ Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
46. Resolution 501: "...‘calls on’ Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
47. Resolution 509: "...‘demands’ that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
48. Resolution 515: "...‘demands’ that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
49. Resolution 517: "...‘censures’ Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
50. Resolution 518: "...‘demands’ that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
51. Resolution 520: "...‘condemns’ Israel’s attack into West Beirut"
52. Resolution 573: "...‘condemns’ Israel ‘vigorously’ for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
53. Resolution 587: "...‘takes note’ of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
54. Resolution 592: "...‘strongly deplores’ the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops"
55. Resolution 605: "...‘strongly deplores’ Israel’s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
56. Resolution 607: "...‘calls on’ Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
57. Resolution 608: "...‘deeply regrets’ that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
58. Resolution 636: "...‘deeply regrets’ Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
59. Resolution 641: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s continuing deportation of Palestinians
60. Resolution 672: "...‘condemns’ Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61. Resolution 673: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62. Resolution 681: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 694: "...‘deplores’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64. Resolution 726: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of Palestinians
65. Resolution 799: "...‘strongly condemns’ Israel’s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return
66. Resolution 904: "...‘strongly condemns’ the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others"
67. Resolution 1073: "...‘calls for’ the immediate cessation and reversal of all acts which have resulted in the aggravation of the situation, ‘calls for‘ the safety and protection of Palestinian civilians to be ensured"
68. Resolution 1322: "...‘condemns’ acts of violence, especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians, resulting in injury and loss of human life"
69. Resolution 1402: "...‘calls upon’ both parties to move immediately to a meaningful ceasefire; calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah"
70. Resolution 1403: "...‘demands’ the implementation of its resolution 1402 (2002) without delay"
71. Resolution 1405: "...‘emphasizes’ the urgency of access of medical and humanitarian organizations to the Palestinian civilian population"
72. Resolution 1435: "...‘demands’ that Israel immediately cease measures in and around Ramallah including the destruction of Palestinian civilian and security infrastructure"
73. Resolution 1544: "...‘calls on’ Israel to respect its obligations under international humanitarian law, and insists, in particular, on its obligation not to undertake demolition of homes contrary to that law"
74. Resolution 1860: "...‘calls for’ an immediate, durable and fully respected ceasefire, leading to the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; ‘calls for‘ the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including of food, fuel and medical treatment"
75. Resolution 1937: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
76. Resolution 2004: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"
77. Resolution 2064: "...‘urges’ the Government of Israel to expedite the withdrawal of its army from northern Ghajar without further delay"

These resolutions voted for by members have not been adhered to, unprecedented that a nation ignores UN resolutions like this.

If, and its a big if Israel wants peace and not just expansionism , it needs to be conciliatary in its foreign policies. Not create a climate of paranoia within its citizens, and then steps towards peace could be made.

Correct.

[haranr 485]

To my mind there are two massive obstacles to peace and a way forward -one is the Israeli govt and the US lobbyists not wanting it -(its too fruitful for the lobbyists, and for the govt it can gain popularity by creating a climate of fear, and makes Israeli citizens easier to control)

The second is direct provocation. Israeli soldiers have cited their aim is to provoke a reaction, and the 262 illegal Israeli settlements and outposts on Palestinian land are a direct ongoing provocation.

How would Israelis feel if Palestinians had 262 illegal settlements on Israeli land ??

1999-2000 Israel offers 95% of the West Bank to the Palestines. They refuse. Why? I really don't know.