Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

  On 17/07/2014 at 19:47, CFC_4EVER said:

Yes. This is the proof of the pudding. We will see how far the ethics of the IDF really go. I predict it will be a massacre of civilians. I also predict IDF will not care. I also predict it will be the Hamas elements forcing you to kill them.

Then I will read you from Mein Kampf which I have in my office here. Not because im a Nazi, but because my family was in camps for plus two years and I wanted to know the enemy. I will all explain to you every detail about what you do now, is what happened then and how it is related. Id like to show you why you remind me of the people that put them in the camps. I hope you are ready. But I think you will block it and let a life lesson pass without a glance....

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

Yeah ground invasion will do it that will bring the peace. Try some new US supplied weaponry, blow up some women and kids, that'll calm it down. Winning hearts and minds. I cant think of a better way to strive for peace.

Years to come this will come back to bite Israel...

[Roquila 1,335]

  On 17/07/2014 at 19:52, Stingray said:

And I will be there to make sure you cannot say "Ich have es nicht gewusst".

I remember Yugoslavia ethnic cleansing very well - you are too young for that - and it pretty much took the same turn. Its not a coincidence two old farts like me and Fullham Broadway are trying to warn on here.

Kosovo, Kroatia and Bosnia have really suffered from that. I was about 6 years old when the war happen'd in Kosovo and it was terrifying. Just because some politicians thought it was a good idea to occupy smaller countries many people have suffered. I was in Belgrade about 5 days ago and everyone was friendly and almost every waiter in Restoraunts spoke a little Albanian. Politics are really fucked up.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/07/2014 at 19:42, Mohammed Seif said:

LOOOOL. Again James you fail miserably, as the Quran does not mandate "struggling", it mandates STRIVING to DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED. You love to interpret things the way you want. Like in the video, Bin Ladin would love you buddy.

It's hard to imagine you're being honest here or maybe you don't know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of Qur'an 9:29. This verse was apparently revealed when Muhammad was on his way to Tabuk and he heard a rumour that there was an army of Byzantines there so he decided to confront them probably in hopes of taking some plunder for him and his army who were dehydrating in the heat. This people never bothered him before. This is the brief summary from Ibn Kathir:

Allah, Most High, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred Mosque. On that, Quraish thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, Most High, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until they embrace Islam or pay the Jizyah. Allah says,

"O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:28-29)

Therefore, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) decided to fight the Romans in order to call them to Islam. (Ibn Kathir, The Battles of the Prophet, pp. 183-4)

This is very clear. No sign of anybody fighting to "defend your country" which is a popular lie repeated by Muslim apologists. Let's see what the Qur'an says in context of Ibn Kathir's tafsir.

I've already done this before but since you keep on defending the indefensible:

Quran 9 verse 28

O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Quran 9 verse 29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 9 verse 30

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

This is the full context of this verse, both from Qur'an and Ibn Kathir. Now, where my dear friend is the DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED part. It's a blatant lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tabouk

[Kieran. 6,317]

Ayman Mohyeldin, the NBC News correspondent who personally witnessed yesterday’s killing by Israel of four Palestinian boys on a Gazan beach and who has received widespread praise for his brave and innovative coverage of the conflict, has been told by NBC executives to leave Gaza immediately. According to an NBC source upset at his treatment, the executives claimed the decision was motivated by “security concerns” as Israel prepares a ground invasion, a claim repeated to me by an NBC executive. But late yesterday, NBC sent another correspondent, Richard Engel, along with an American producer who has never been to Gaza and speaks no Arabic, into Gaza to cover the ongoing Israeli assault (both Mohyeldin and Engel speak Arabic).

CREDIT: NBC News

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:09, MrExcalibur100 said:

It's hard to imagine you're being honest here or maybe you don't know the circumstances surrounding the revelation of Qur'an 9:29. This verse was apparently revealed when Muhammad was on his way to Tabuk and he heard a rumour that there was an army of Byzantines there so he decided to confront them probably in hopes of taking some plunder for him and his army who were dehydrating in the heat. This people never bothered him before. This is the brief summary from Ibn Kathir:

Allah, Most High, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred Mosque. On that, Quraish thought that this would reduce their profits from trade. Therefore, Allah, Most High, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until they embrace Islam or pay the Jizyah. Allah says,

"O ye who believe! Truly the pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:28-29)

Therefore, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) decided to fight the Romans in order to call them to Islam. (Ibn Kathir, The Battles of the Prophet, pp. 183-4)

This is very clear. No sign of anybody fighting to "defend your country" which is a popular lie repeated by Muslim apologists. Let's see what the Qur'an says in context of Ibn Kathir's tafsir.

I've already done this before but since you keep on defending the indefensible:

Quran 9 verse 28

O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Quran 9 verse 29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Quran 9 verse 30

The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

This is the full context of this verse, both from Qur'an and Ibn Kathir. Now, where my dear friend is the DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY WHEN ATTACKED part. It's a blatant lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tabouk

This is all falsified history James. I know my religion and history much more than you do. Not to mention I know how to properly read my book without taking things out of context. An advice to you is if you want to understand something, such as a faith that over a billion follow, you would have to approach it in non biased, no prejudice way. I have seen Jews do that better than you. Not to mention that they are actually specialized.

Possibly you have ignored this before so I am putting it out again. A JEWISH HISTORIAN BUDDY, someone who actually spent time to read and learn.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:01, Fulham Broadway said:

Yeah ground invasion will do it that will bring the peace. Try some new US supplied weaponry, blow up some women and kids, that'll calm it down. Winning hearts and minds. I cant think of a better way to strive for peace.

Years to come this will come back to bite Israel...

No... we need to lay back and wait till their missiles will kill more people here...

or till some hamas people will enter to israel from tunnels and kill people.

[Namika 922]

Today is such a depressing day regarding news.

[Stingray 9,441]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:26, xPetrCechx said:

No... we need to lay back and wait till their missiles will kill more people here...

or till some hamas people will enter to israel from tunnels and kill people.

Yes, while you do this

Come on man, not you too. You know the imbalance in power and victims right now is not even deniable ...

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:28, Stingray said:

Yes, while you do this

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Come on man, not you too. You know the imbalance in power and victims right now is not even deniable ...

yes, i know the imbalance in power and victims... but how many years it can continue?!

we tried to stop the fire, buy they continued...

[Stingray 9,441]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:31, xPetrCechx said:

yes, i know the imbalance in power and victims... but how many years it can continue?!

we tried to stop the fire, buy they continued...

Comon , even in the Oslo days the settlers kept going on unpunished. even with the current peace treaty, the IDF asked for an extra safety zone - which just takes palestinians deeper inside. They cannot take that Petr... We need a genuine talk or Israel will burn itself (even morally).

... It should stop Petr...from bot sides.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:20, Mohammed Seif said:

This is all falsified history James. I know my religion and history much more than you do. Not to mention I know how to properly read my book without taking things out of context. An advice to you is if you want to understand something, such as a faith that over a billion follow, you would have to approach it in non biased, no prejudice way. I have seen Jews do that better than you. Not to mention that they are actually specialized.

Possibly you have ignored this before so I am putting it out again. A JEWISH HISTORIAN BUDDY, someone who actually spent time to read and learn.

She knows more about Islam than Ibn Kathir? She knows more about Quranic exegesis than Ibn Kathir, one of the greatest Mufassir in history? Good one bro. She's an author. She wrote a book about Muhammad. So what. Karen Armstrong wrote books about Muhammad and she makes him sound as pacifist as Gandhi. I can read another book about him and he's portrayed as Genkhis Khan. Books are opinion.The life of Muhammad is detailed in the Hadith and the Sira literature. I've read a lot of Bukhari and Muslim in the past and part of Ibn Ishaq. Are those biased sources too?

[Special Juan 27,616]

I'm locking this thread until I have spoken with a member of the team. Please bare with us until we have spoken.

[Special Juan 27,616]

Right, this topic is back open. it will be closely monitored over the coming days by all staff members.

Keep it in line lads or it goes one way.

Thanks.

[Stingray 9,441]

Yeah well

Ground offensive has started. Its judgement day. Yes, also for the souls of those involved.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

  On 17/07/2014 at 20:35, MrExcalibur100 said:

She knows more about Islam than Ibn Kathir? She knows more about Quranic exegesis than Ibn Kathir, one of the greatest Mufassir in history? Good one bro. She's an author. She wrote a book about Muhammad. So what. Karen Armstrong wrote books about Muhammad and she makes him sound as pacifist as Gandhi. I can read another book about him and he's portrayed as Genkhis Khan. Books are opinion.The life of Muhammad is detailed in the Hadith and the Sira literature. I've read a lot of Bukhari and Muslim in the past and part of Ibn Ishaq. Are those biased sources too?

She definitely know much more than you do. She is not putting things out of context like you or falsifying things to make a point. She took the time and effort to STUDY and UNDERSTAND the language. You are just taing bits and parts out of their contexts and throwing it out to make a case.

[Stingray 9,441]

  On 17/07/2014 at 19:42, CFC_4EVER said:

i voted for her party and i'm happy i did it.

Im sure you did.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

We are not hiding missiles in Hospitals and UN Schools.