Politics & Stuff

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Yes, who is Mikhail Khodorkovsky?

Former oligarch and owner of Lukoil, who got sent to prison after falling out with Putin. Spent 10 years in jail and was granted amnesty a few days ago. He was considered a prisoner of conscience. There's always wiki for more info.

[yuvala 2,167]

Wow. You can be against Israel without being anti-Semetic...media bullshit once again.

Oh yea, doing this salute with the Treblinka extermination camp in the background is not anti-semetic at all.

[bushman 2,043]

Oh yea, doing this salute with the Treblinka extermination camp in the background is not anti-semetic at all.

Do you ever think before you post here ? What the fuck you talking about treblinka here ?

[yuvala 2,167]

Do you ever think before you post here ? What the fuck you talking about treblinka here ?

This salute was used multiple times as an anti-semetic symbol, like the example of Trablinka.

Therefore, this salute IS in fact an anti-semetic salute, not only "against Israel"..

[bushman 2,043]

This salute was used multiple times as an anti-semetic symbol, like the example of Trablinka.

Therefore, this salute IS in fact an anti-semetic salute, not only "against Israel"..

Your interpretation of his salute is wrong ! Why is it, that Jewish people always interpret things to something against you ?

[yuvala 2,167]

Your interpretation of his salute is wrong ! Why is it, that Jewish people always interpret things to something against you ?

How is it wrong? I just proved to you that it is an anti-semetic salute.

And my example was one of many.

And just for the record, I couldn't care less about him being anti-semetic, I just dont think its appropriate as a goal celebration.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Take it to the politics thread, boys. We don't need a political argument here.

[yuvala 2,167]

Take it to the politics thread, boys. We don't need a political argument here.

Can you "transfer" our messages to there? haha

[bushman 2,043]

How is it wrong? I just proved to you that it is an anti-semetic salute.

And my example was one of many.

And just for the record, I couldn't care less about him being anti-semetic, I just dont think its appropriate as a goal celebration.

You proved nothing. You only assumed, that´s all. What he meant by it, no one knows or perhaps you do ?

As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Can you "transfer" our messages to there? haha

Done

[yuvala 2,167]

You proved nothing. You only assumed, that´s all. What he meant by it, no one knows or perhaps you do ?

As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow.

Oh I see, so I suppose it's ok to make a Nazi salute if you dont mean it as a Nazi salute..

The fact is, that it doesnt matter what HE meant, it matters what the salute means.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

The fact is, that it doesnt matter what HE meant, it matters what the salute means.

well, that's sort of contradictory isn't it? I mean a meaning of a gesture goes on perspectives. Anelka's perception isn't anti-semetic, whereas yours is?

[dave30 728]

As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow.

Silly comment.

[yuvala 2,167]

well, that's sort of contradictory isn't it? I mean a meaning of a gesture goes on perspectives. Anelka's perception isn't anti-semetic, whereas yours is?

First of all, how can you know that? (not that I can)

Secondly, his prespective is not the only thing that matters, what the salute means matters aswell. You can't just ignore the fact that this act is being used as a moden anti-semetic salute.

My criticism is not towards Anelka's prespective but rather towards him doing this salute, the act itself - regardless of the meaning he put behind it.

Lets say we sign a player from X country, and in that country the Nazi salute is being used as a friendly gesture. When this player scores the first goal for us, he uses that salute to celebrate the goal - is that ok ? he did not at all mean it as a Nazi thing, he totally meant it as a friendly gesture.

Still, its not ok because other people recognize it as an anti-semetic Nazi salute.

You get my point?

[SinineUltra 1,170]

Definitely it was foolish of him to even unintentionally do handsigns like these, but -and I don't mean to start any endless arguments- why is it that anything to do with nazism gets so high attention whereas sovietism never hasn't been treated as equal regime of brutality and suffering.