dave30 728 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Obviously. Wait till it spreads like it already has in the Anelka thread. If it is just political talk ok. If you have Israelites or Jewish members talking about Nazi symbolics, contemporal gestures and Muslims are put into the mix with a slice of todays middle east geopolitical situation while some righties babble about left bourgeous without a clue about the Front National connection in casu, adding a (anglosaxon) political correctness insult on an international forum, what do you think happens? A sour milkshake conflated with misconceptions adding nothing to clarify the debate.Peace.Well if people want to talk about politics its not for you to say that they shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Obviously. Wait till it spreads like it already has in the Anelka thread. If it is just political talk ok. If you have Israelites or Jewish members talking about Nazi symbolics, contemporal gestures and Muslims are put into the mix with a slice of todays middle east geopolitical situation while some righties babble about left bourgeous without a clue about the Front National connection in casu, adding a (anglosaxon) political correctness insult on an international forum, what do you think happens? A sour milkshake conflated with misconceptions adding nothing to clarify the debate. Peace. Well if people want to talk about politics its not for you to say that they shouldn't. I didn't mate. I said : in MY account. Reread it. It was an opinion, is that allowed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 No I'm saying that your comments show serious lack of knowledge about Islam, Nazism, Zionism, the difference between it and Judaism, and how politics generally work. I suggest you read up on the Islamic ideology and Nazism and its principles before you make ill-informed accusations. You're so full of yourself it's unbelievable. If you think I'm some pro-USA sheep oblivious to the astrocities commited by them, or by Israel you're completely mistaken. I'm not claiming to be an expert but don't go all professor on me.Accusations btw? Are you a muslim? That would explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I didn't mate. I said : in MY account. Reread it. It was an opinion, is that allowed?Fine its just you said it was a 'cringe worthy thread.' I don't see how it is. If the opinion fits with mine, i'll consider it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I didn't mate. I said : in MY account. Reread it. It was an opinion, is that allowed? Fine its just you said it was a 'cringe worthy thread.' I don't see how it is. If the opinion fits with mine, i'll consider it And if the opinion does not fit yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 And if the opinion does not fit yours? Going to have to request you keep it to yourself mate. Its for the greater good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 You're so full of yourself it's unbelievable. If you think I'm some pro-USA sheep oblivious to the astrocities commited by them, or by Israel you're completely mistaken. I'm not claiming to be an expert but don't go all professor on me.Accusations btw? Are you a muslim? That would explain a lot.No I don't think you're "some pro-USA sheep" nor did I imply that I did. I just think that you don't know what you're talking about which is not something to be ashamed of at all. I was not trying to sound arrogant (although I admit that's probably how I came across). I seriously think that you should read up on Islamic ideology and the principles of Nazism. Because the suggestion that Islam is similar to Nazism is beyond wrong, it just laughable.No, I'm not a Muslim, but I live in a country where about half the population is, so I know a lot about Islam. And because of Lebanon's geography, I also know a lot about Zionism, Judaism and the HUGE difference between them. haranr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 And if the opinion does not fit yours? Going to have to request you keep it to yourself mate. Its for the greater good. Cognitive dissonance reduction at its best. Accept what you already believe, discount what differs. Precisely why I found this thread (the last pages) cringeworthy: it is not a debate, but a repitition of fixed standpoints and slating of others (eg. Lefty bourgeous or whatever you called them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 No I don't think you're "some pro-USA sheep" nor did I imply that I did. I just think that you don't know what you're talking about which is not something to be ashamed of at all. I was not trying to sound arrogant (although I admit that's probably how I came across). I seriously think that you should read up on Islamic ideology and the principles of Nazism. Because the suggestion that Islam is similar to Nazism is beyond wrong, it just laughable.No, I'm not a Muslim, but I live in a country where about half the population is, so I know a lot about Islam. And because of Lebanon's geography, I also know a lot about Zionism, Judaism and the HUGE difference between them. That's the thing though I'm not comparing Nazism and Islam, that would be ridiculous. That doesn't mean that both Nazis and Muslims can't have the same sentiments towards jews.When I went to school mate, in history class our Maroccan classmates often left the classroom when we were being taught about WW2 and the holocaust, simply denying it. It was merely a remark on your comment that comparing nazis and muslims on their view on jews is laughable. Ofcourse the ideologies can't be compared, nazism isn't even a religion.By now you should understand I'm against all forms of hate and intolerance, be it hatred towards jews, hatred toward muslims or hatred toward western society.With all due respect, the many salafists in my coutry trying to spread the sharia, publicly denouncing democracy, calling western woman whores on the street isn't exactly helping people's views on muslims, even though they're salafists, not real Muslims, but the majority of the population don't see the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Cognitive dissonance reduction at its best. Accept what you already believe, discount what differs. Precisely why I found this thread (the last pages) cringeworthy: it is not a debate, but a repitition of fixed standpoints and slating of others (eg. Lefty bourgeous or whatever you called them) Therefore, to end it, we all need to heil now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Therefore, to end it, we all need to heil now ? Listening to an argument and understanding why people say things before calling them 'retards, bourgeous, political correctness claims, laughable, idiots' will go a long way in my book. In others books as well: Instead of fostering the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance from another: dare to listen, think and question your opinions. The other party might just have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Come on 19,however you call it, this world is full of haters. Haters are among Muslims, Christians,Jews...The bottom line: One should not be punished because he shows a sign, salutes anything.Don't you know that Politics and Football shouldn't be mixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Don't you know that Politics and Football shouldn't be mixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Again, being against the state of Israel does not mean you are an anti-Semite! Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Again, being against the state of Israel does not mean you are an anti-Semite!Simply not condoning their expansive activities in Palestina or regarding those actions illegitimate is not anti-semitism. However, it is a troubled debate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The bottom line: One should not be punished because he shows a sign, salutes anything.Well that's a bit of a grey area. If it entices violence and hate crime, then it should be (not talking Anelka here) because the sign/salute in itself is provocation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Well that's a bit of a grey area. If it entices violence and hate crime, then it should be (not talking Anelka here) because the sign/salute in itself is provocation. To you ? Not to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 To you ? Not to me.What if the intent is to cause hate crimes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What if the intent is to cause hate crimes?Let me just end this chat. Not interested to continue, see you. LDN Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Cringe worthy thread, really. Politics and sports don't mix in my account.Exactly. It's why Anelka deserves a ban. He knows what he did was stupid which is why he's trying to worm his way out of it. TorontoChelsea and Stingray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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